7 speed manual - gear crunch into 2nd and sometimes 3rd
#21
I have the same cold shift issue from 1 to 2. Not bad but it is certainly there. What helped for me is turning on the heat in the garage for the winter. Same for the lack of grip with summer tires. They love the radiant heat tubing in the concrete slab. Sadly after a minute outside, the grip problem returns...
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Ok, after complaint to the dealer and GM about 1-2' 2-3 crunch when cold and 4 weeks at the dealer...... A new transmitsion was finally installed.....nite and day difference with new transmission, crunch is gone!
Lots of arguing and getting pissed off to get this problem solved! In spite of all saying it was normal and it would be away...crunching in your tranny is not normal.
Paul
Lots of arguing and getting pissed off to get this problem solved! In spite of all saying it was normal and it would be away...crunching in your tranny is not normal.
Paul
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Ok, after complaint to the dealer and GM about 1-2' 2-3 crunch when cold and 4 weeks at the dealer...... A new transmitsion was finally installed.....nite and day difference with new transmission, crunch is gone!
Lots of arguing and getting pissed off to get this problem solved! In spite of all saying it was normal and it would be away...crunching in your tranny is not normal.
Paul
Lots of arguing and getting pissed off to get this problem solved! In spite of all saying it was normal and it would be away...crunching in your tranny is not normal.
Paul
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Obviously, the temperature is a contributing factor. I noticed two things: First make sure the clutch is fully engaged and second, I noticed that it was far less of a problem if I turned the Rev Matching off. Rev Matching works great on down shifting, but I think it causes multiple problems while upshifting. Wish you could turn the upshifting portion of Rev Matching off.
#25
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After a cold start with outside air temp below 40F, my C5 does this, my C6 427 vert has done this since new, and I bet my C7 will do it as well. Not so much a grind, but definitely can feel it catching a tooth or two when upshifting. My opinion is that cold trans fluid makes the synchros sluggish. I also believe that the occasional grind is not detrimental to the trans as long as it doesn't become progressively worse.
I've found on those days that if I warm the engine for two minutes, exercise the gears once while sitting there, and then shift slowly the first few shifts, none of it happens. After the first few shifts, all is good. Somewhat elaborate procedure but it works for me.
I've found on those days that if I warm the engine for two minutes, exercise the gears once while sitting there, and then shift slowly the first few shifts, none of it happens. After the first few shifts, all is good. Somewhat elaborate procedure but it works for me.
#26
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that has been a complaint since GM changed from the TR56 to the TR6060 for the 2008 model. Since the TR6070 is a TR6060 but with an additional gear, it seems the problem is still there.
GM has made some changes since the 2008 introduction, such as changing the design/material of the synchronizer cones, in an effort to help the problem.
I changed to a full synthetic transmission DEX III ATF fluid that helped a little, but normally, when cold, I pause slightly while going through the neutral gate, to give the spinning gear time to slow down before completing the shift into 2nd or 3rd gear.
GM has made some changes since the 2008 introduction, such as changing the design/material of the synchronizer cones, in an effort to help the problem.
I changed to a full synthetic transmission DEX III ATF fluid that helped a little, but normally, when cold, I pause slightly while going through the neutral gate, to give the spinning gear time to slow down before completing the shift into 2nd or 3rd gear.
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Use torque drive by amsoil will solve most of this problem.
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That is just my opinion....
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I agree, I have a short shifter and although it is nice to have it doesn't do a thing for the gear catching when the oil is cold.
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Shifter issues
Date Reported
SEPTEMBER 01 2014
NHTSA Reference
#10056247
TSB Reference
#PI-1276
Description: CHEVROLET: WHEN MANUAL TRANSMISSION IS VERY DIFFICULT TO SHIFT INTO GEAR AT TIMES AND IT ALSO LACKS A CRISPNESS AND FEELS LIKE SHIFTER HAS A MUSHINESS ABOUT IT. MODEL 2014 CORVETTE. *PE UPDATED 12/9/14. *PE
Repair Information for NHTSA #10056247
Date Reported
JULY 01 2014
NHTSA Reference
#10056257
TSB Reference
#PIE-0302-A
Description: CHEVROLET: WHEN TRYING TO SHIFT INTO 1ST OR 2ND GEAR, THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION IS DIFFICULT AND NOISE, CLUNK/GRIND/RATTLE AND CLUTCH PEDAL NOISE IS HEARD AND OPERATION WOULD BE POOR. MODEL 2012-2014 CAMARO, CORVETTE. *PE
Repair Information for NHTSA #10056257
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#33
I have a mgw and it did not help the situation at all. I took the car out the other day and it was about 20* outside. Thats the coldest day i have had it out in yet, i had to jam it in second when the tranny was cold. It goes in ok when its cold at 2k rpm but 3k its almost impossible. When its warm there's no issue. Im gunna try a different tranny fluid as this really irritates me.
#34
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It's clearly heat related. My C6 Z06 did this until the transmission was up to operating temperature. Actually, when the engine oil temp is up to operating temperature (say 80C or higher) , it turns out the trans is warmed up also. The Tremec 7 speed is worse than the 6 speed. An MGW shifter won't cure it, but it will cure the OEM shifter weaknesses. The MGM shifter is so direct it allows you to "feel" the notchiness more than the OEM shifter.
Redline D4 ATF definitely improved the C6 Z06 gearbox so I will do the same fluid change on the C7 Z06 after 3000 miles.
I assume it's simply the nature of these somewhat crude but robust gearboxes.
Jacob
Redline D4 ATF definitely improved the C6 Z06 gearbox so I will do the same fluid change on the C7 Z06 after 3000 miles.
I assume it's simply the nature of these somewhat crude but robust gearboxes.
Jacob
Last edited by Jacob; 07-25-2017 at 12:34 PM.
#36
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Well I'll give my 2c on changing from OEM fluids. In previous GM cars, i found the Amsoil and Redline fluids smoothed out the manual transmission shifts. Did the same on my Z06 but had a different end result. I used Amsoil Torque drive. initially the shifting was better. However, the fluid didn't hold up to track events and my shift to 4th started to get the nibbling/misaligned feeling on some shifts. Swapping back to the OEM fluid made the 3-4 shift instantly better again.
#37
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Is there an updated OEM fluid for the M7 or is the Dex III auto fluid still used in the manuals? Thanks!
Well I'll give my 2c on changing from OEM fluids. In previous GM cars, i found the Amsoil and Redline fluids smoothed out the manual transmission shifts. Did the same on my Z06 but had a different end result. I used Amsoil Torque drive. initially the shifting was better. However, the fluid didn't hold up to track events and my shift to 4th started to get the nibbling/misaligned feeling on some shifts. Swapping back to the OEM fluid made the 3-4 shift instantly better again.
#38
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My 2011 ZR1 has done that since day one upshifting to second when cold when short shifting at low rpms. Usually only on the first shift of the morning. No other gears. Now have 40k miles. My 01Z and 06Z didn't do that.
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Cold temp nibble on the 1-2 shift is normal and should go away after less than a mile of driving. A crunch /nibble on the 2-3 shift isn't normal at any temp. Either the clutch is being let out too soon or there is some other issue.
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My Z06 does it, once it warms up all works fine. On warm up, I shift 1-3-6.