C7 Z51 carbon ceramic brakes
08-11-2014, 07:52 AM
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C7 Z51 carbon ceramic brakes
Good morning corvette aficionados!
Its confirmed from the top of GM that the Z28 Carbon Ceramics Brakes will work on the C7 Z51!
Cheers,
Theo Harris
Its confirmed from the top of GM that the Z28 Carbon Ceramics Brakes will work on the C7 Z51!
Cheers,
Theo Harris
08-11-2014, 11:33 AM
#3
Drifting
That's good news as I hate to deal with cleaning my rims twice right after I wash my car then clean them again after I do a short drive to get the rust off.
Curious on the price.
Curious on the price.
08-11-2014, 12:08 PM
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I am, and I think the z28 has, the carbon ceramic brakes, like the rotors / pads etc. Its a very high performance brake setup, that was available on the z06/zr1 c6. And is on a lot of ferraris etc. I have many friends at my local dealer and they just did a z06 carbon edition brake job at like 15k miles, for like $8,000 to replace rotors, pads, etc.
Whoa.
08-11-2014, 01:19 PM
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One of us is confused. You are referring to ceramic pads. Which are dustless, but usually a little less performance.
I am, and I think the z28 has, the carbon ceramic brakes, like the rotors / pads etc. Its a very high performance brake setup, that was available on the z06/zr1 c6. And is on a lot of ferraris etc. I have many friends at my local dealer and they just did a z06 carbon edition brake job at like 15k miles, for like $8,000 to replace rotors, pads, etc.
Whoa.
I am, and I think the z28 has, the carbon ceramic brakes, like the rotors / pads etc. Its a very high performance brake setup, that was available on the z06/zr1 c6. And is on a lot of ferraris etc. I have many friends at my local dealer and they just did a z06 carbon edition brake job at like 15k miles, for like $8,000 to replace rotors, pads, etc.
Whoa.
Motohead279, if you are looking for a low dust performance pad check out the Carbotech 1521 pad. F: $161 R: $164
Carbotech™ Bobcat 1521™ The Carbotech Bobcat 1521™ is our high performance street compound that is our most successful compound. The Bobcat compound is known for its awesome release and modulation, along with unmatched rotor friendliness. Like our AX™ & XP™ line of compounds, Bobcat 1521™ is a Ceramic based friction material offering minimal rotor damage and non-corrosive dust. Bobcat 1521™ offers outstanding performance, even when cold, low dusting and low noise with an excellent initial bite. This compound’s virtually perfect linear torque production provides incredible braking force without ABS intervention. Bobcat 1521™ operating range starts out at ambient and goes up to 900°F. Bobcat 1521™ is suitable for ALL street cars, perfect for your tow vehicle, police cruiser. The Bobcat 1521™ compound has been found to last two-three times longer than OE pads you can purchase at a dealership or national retailer. That’s one of the beauties of Carbotech Ceramic brake compounds. Bobcat 1521™ is NOT recommended for any track use.
08-11-2014, 03:46 PM
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One of us is confused. You are referring to ceramic pads. Which are dustless, but usually a little less performance.
I am, and I think the z28 has, the carbon ceramic brakes, like the rotors / pads etc. Its a very high performance brake setup, that was available on the z06/zr1 c6. And is on a lot of ferraris etc. I have many friends at my local dealer and they just did a z06 carbon edition brake job at like 15k miles, for like $8,000 to replace rotors, pads, etc.
Whoa.
I am, and I think the z28 has, the carbon ceramic brakes, like the rotors / pads etc. Its a very high performance brake setup, that was available on the z06/zr1 c6. And is on a lot of ferraris etc. I have many friends at my local dealer and they just did a z06 carbon edition brake job at like 15k miles, for like $8,000 to replace rotors, pads, etc.
Whoa.
08-11-2014, 04:24 PM
#7
Drifting
No I already have Carbotech carbon ceramic pads for about 7 - 8 months now. I'm talking about rotors. After spending 2 hours washing my car and cleaning the wheels, I then have to drive it around the block to get the rust off the rotors, in turn coating the wheels in rust dust, in turn making me wipe down the wheels again, which is not good because wiping metal rust particles scratch the wheels and it's a PITA.
Last edited by Motohead279; 08-11-2014 at 04:27 PM.
08-11-2014, 06:55 PM
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Most people who track cars stick with Iron rotors and more normal BBK's. Ceramics are expensive if your going to track the car a lot.
Essex will be coming out with AP rotors soon.
Essex will be coming out with AP rotors soon.
08-12-2014, 12:17 AM
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But CC brakes are the best!
Spoke to Essex not a release any day soon, same with DBA, they are all in development with 2015 or later release dates
08-12-2014, 02:57 PM
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Essex said to me that they were going to be ready by SEMA, they are losing business by not getting these out. How complicated are discs?
If we are saying that the carbon ceramics work on the C7 what about the ZL1 kit? That is what I would be interested in those are the 6 piston Brembo's with a two piece rotor. The CTS V also has the same set up.
These seem like no brainers.
I have no idea why the aftermarket is so slow with this C7
No radiator
No improved discs
Limited BBK's
Limited suspension options
Track wheels
You name it almost nothing on the market for the guy looking for track upgrades.
If we are saying that the carbon ceramics work on the C7 what about the ZL1 kit? That is what I would be interested in those are the 6 piston Brembo's with a two piece rotor. The CTS V also has the same set up.
These seem like no brainers.
I have no idea why the aftermarket is so slow with this C7
No radiator
No improved discs
Limited BBK's
Limited suspension options
Track wheels
You name it almost nothing on the market for the guy looking for track upgrades.
08-12-2014, 03:28 PM
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Unless the car was heavily tracked there is no reason that you should need to do a full brake job at 15K miles. The stock CC rotors should last the life of the car if you are not tracking it. Also if he paid 8K he got ripped off. You can order all 4 rotors and a full set of pads from Amazon for ~$5K.
08-12-2014, 04:46 PM
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Essex said to me that they were going to be ready by SEMA, they are losing business by not getting these out. How complicated are discs?
If we are saying that the carbon ceramics work on the C7 what about the ZL1 kit? That is what I would be interested in those are the 6 piston Brembo's with a two piece rotor. The CTS V also has the same set up.
These seem like no brainers.
I have no idea why the aftermarket is so slow with this C7
No radiator
No improved discs
Limited BBK's
Limited suspension options
Track wheels
You name it almost nothing on the market for the guy looking for track upgrades.
If we are saying that the carbon ceramics work on the C7 what about the ZL1 kit? That is what I would be interested in those are the 6 piston Brembo's with a two piece rotor. The CTS V also has the same set up.
These seem like no brainers.
I have no idea why the aftermarket is so slow with this C7
No radiator
No improved discs
Limited BBK's
Limited suspension options
Track wheels
You name it almost nothing on the market for the guy looking for track upgrades.
The ZL1 brakes are actually an option for the V6 Camaro on the Build Site. Pretty cool. I wonder if they will fit under the base vette wheels....if so, i could definitely see myself getting a set.
08-12-2014, 05:05 PM
#13
Pricing on the Z28 stuff??
Also still waiting for PFC to make replacement rotors for the Z51 just like AP. Nothing yet from either company for OEM sized replacements. My OEM rotors are getting chewed up a lot running Hawk DTC60's on the street. With my PFC rotors on another car, they do not get worn down by the same pads when run on the street between track events. Z51 rotors must be quite soft. The Brinell hardness of the cast iron in high quality racing rotors is considerably higher than that of OEM rotors to handle wear better.
Also still waiting for PFC to make replacement rotors for the Z51 just like AP. Nothing yet from either company for OEM sized replacements. My OEM rotors are getting chewed up a lot running Hawk DTC60's on the street. With my PFC rotors on another car, they do not get worn down by the same pads when run on the street between track events. Z51 rotors must be quite soft. The Brinell hardness of the cast iron in high quality racing rotors is considerably higher than that of OEM rotors to handle wear better.
08-14-2014, 08:38 PM
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Frustrating how long stuff is taking to come out. I guess I never bought a 1st year model so I have no reference.
The ZL1 brakes are actually an option for the V6 Camaro on the Build Site. Pretty cool. I wonder if they will fit under the base vette wheels....if so, i could definitely see myself getting a set.
The ZL1 brakes are actually an option for the V6 Camaro on the Build Site. Pretty cool. I wonder if they will fit under the base vette wheels....if so, i could definitely see myself getting a set.
It would be interesting to see if the ZL1 rotors would fit the stock wheels, ZL1's have 20" wheels.
You can buy the whole set up for $3200. There massive brakes, there also $800 less than the Brembo kit.
I have pretty much given up tracking my car this year and am just using my M3. I'll work over the winter improving the car. Stoptech is supposed to have a kit out very soon for this car as well.
Why the heck they didn't just put the ZL1 brakes on the Vette is beyond me.
Last edited by leadville1; 08-14-2014 at 08:40 PM.
08-14-2014, 08:42 PM
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Pricing on the Z28 stuff??
Also still waiting for PFC to make replacement rotors for the Z51 just like AP. Nothing yet from either company for OEM sized replacements. My OEM rotors are getting chewed up a lot running Hawk DTC60's on the street. With my PFC rotors on another car, they do not get worn down by the same pads when run on the street between track events. Z51 rotors must be quite soft. The Brinell hardness of the cast iron in high quality racing rotors is considerably higher than that of OEM rotors to handle wear better.
Also still waiting for PFC to make replacement rotors for the Z51 just like AP. Nothing yet from either company for OEM sized replacements. My OEM rotors are getting chewed up a lot running Hawk DTC60's on the street. With my PFC rotors on another car, they do not get worn down by the same pads when run on the street between track events. Z51 rotors must be quite soft. The Brinell hardness of the cast iron in high quality racing rotors is considerably higher than that of OEM rotors to handle wear better.
My buddy just bought a GT3 and just about all those guys take the CC's off and use Iron discs. I am thinking if the CC's fit the Corvette the ZL1's should too.
08-29-2014, 07:34 PM
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08-30-2014, 12:51 AM
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Essex said to me that they were going to be ready by SEMA, they are losing business by not getting these out. How complicated are discs?
If we are saying that the carbon ceramics work on the C7 what about the ZL1 kit? That is what I would be interested in those are the 6 piston Brembo's with a two piece rotor. The CTS V also has the same set up.
These seem like no brainers.
I have no idea why the aftermarket is so slow with this C7
No radiator
No improved discs
Limited BBK's
Limited suspension options
Track wheels
You name it almost nothing on the market for the guy looking for track upgrades.
If we are saying that the carbon ceramics work on the C7 what about the ZL1 kit? That is what I would be interested in those are the 6 piston Brembo's with a two piece rotor. The CTS V also has the same set up.
These seem like no brainers.
I have no idea why the aftermarket is so slow with this C7
No radiator
No improved discs
Limited BBK's
Limited suspension options
Track wheels
You name it almost nothing on the market for the guy looking for track upgrades.
Look at something as seemingly simple as a bolt-on intake. Vararam, Callaway, LMR, K&N, etc. still "working on it" a year after car is out. Yes, I know Haltech and AFE are already out there.
09-08-2014, 02:23 PM
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Come on guys, be nice! We have a whole bunch of track-related products either released or in-process for the C7.
Essex Designed AP Racing Competition Big Brake Kit (on sale now)- We have these on quite a few C7's and the feedback has been tremendous. You can read reviews on our blog.
Spiegler front and rear stainless steel brake lines (on sale now)
AP Racing PRF brake fluid (on sale now)
All of these pads are on sale now
Front Ferodo DS1.11 racing pads (FCP1334W)
Front Ferodo DS2500 racing pads (FCP1334H)
Rear Ferodo DS1.11 racing pads (FRP3137W)
Rear Ferodo DS2500 racing pads (FRP3137H)
AP Racing 2-piece J Hook Endurance Racing Discs (front and rear)- These will be released in early November (around SEMA time, as mentioned above).
In defense of all my aftermarket brothers, something that is seemingly simple isn't always quite that simple. Developing a new product requires drawings, revisions, measurements, machine programming, writing instruction manuals, writing product materials/web content, more measuring, photos, quality testing, packaging, loading into MRP system, establish pricing, advertising, lead time for import (most of our products come from Europe)...the list goes on and on.
If you plan to track your car heavily, an aftermarket system with iron brake discs is a far superior option vs. carbon ceramic in terms of long-term running costs, overall durability, etc.
Essex Designed AP Racing Competition Big Brake Kit (on sale now)- We have these on quite a few C7's and the feedback has been tremendous. You can read reviews on our blog.
Spiegler front and rear stainless steel brake lines (on sale now)
AP Racing PRF brake fluid (on sale now)
All of these pads are on sale now
Front Ferodo DS1.11 racing pads (FCP1334W)
Front Ferodo DS2500 racing pads (FCP1334H)
Rear Ferodo DS1.11 racing pads (FRP3137W)
Rear Ferodo DS2500 racing pads (FRP3137H)
AP Racing 2-piece J Hook Endurance Racing Discs (front and rear)- These will be released in early November (around SEMA time, as mentioned above).
In defense of all my aftermarket brothers, something that is seemingly simple isn't always quite that simple. Developing a new product requires drawings, revisions, measurements, machine programming, writing instruction manuals, writing product materials/web content, more measuring, photos, quality testing, packaging, loading into MRP system, establish pricing, advertising, lead time for import (most of our products come from Europe)...the list goes on and on.
If you plan to track your car heavily, an aftermarket system with iron brake discs is a far superior option vs. carbon ceramic in terms of long-term running costs, overall durability, etc.
09-08-2014, 04:40 PM
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Come on guys, be nice! We have a whole bunch of track-related products either released or in-process for the C7.
Essex Designed AP Racing Competition Big Brake Kit (on sale now)- We have these on quite a few C7's and the feedback has been tremendous. You can read reviews on our blog.
Spiegler front and rear stainless steel brake lines (on sale now)
AP Racing PRF brake fluid (on sale now)
All of these pads are on sale now
Front Ferodo DS1.11 racing pads (FCP1334W)
Front Ferodo DS2500 racing pads (FCP1334H)
Rear Ferodo DS1.11 racing pads (FRP3137W)
Rear Ferodo DS2500 racing pads (FRP3137H)
AP Racing 2-piece J Hook Endurance Racing Discs (front and rear)- These will be released in early November (around SEMA time, as mentioned above).
In defense of all my aftermarket brothers, something that is seemingly simple isn't always quite that simple. Developing a new product requires drawings, revisions, measurements, machine programming, writing instruction manuals, writing product materials/web content, more measuring, photos, quality testing, packaging, loading into MRP system, establish pricing, advertising, lead time for import (most of our products come from Europe)...the list goes on and on.
If you plan to track your car heavily, an aftermarket system with iron brake discs is a far superior option vs. carbon ceramic in terms of long-term running costs, overall durability, etc.
Essex Designed AP Racing Competition Big Brake Kit (on sale now)- We have these on quite a few C7's and the feedback has been tremendous. You can read reviews on our blog.
Spiegler front and rear stainless steel brake lines (on sale now)
AP Racing PRF brake fluid (on sale now)
All of these pads are on sale now
Front Ferodo DS1.11 racing pads (FCP1334W)
Front Ferodo DS2500 racing pads (FCP1334H)
Rear Ferodo DS1.11 racing pads (FRP3137W)
Rear Ferodo DS2500 racing pads (FRP3137H)
AP Racing 2-piece J Hook Endurance Racing Discs (front and rear)- These will be released in early November (around SEMA time, as mentioned above).
In defense of all my aftermarket brothers, something that is seemingly simple isn't always quite that simple. Developing a new product requires drawings, revisions, measurements, machine programming, writing instruction manuals, writing product materials/web content, more measuring, photos, quality testing, packaging, loading into MRP system, establish pricing, advertising, lead time for import (most of our products come from Europe)...the list goes on and on.
If you plan to track your car heavily, an aftermarket system with iron brake discs is a far superior option vs. carbon ceramic in terms of long-term running costs, overall durability, etc.
In all seriousness, I have no idea why simple things like radiators and discs can't be done a year into development. Same with Stoptech they haven't even developed a kit yet.
Very frustrating for sure, since this is what I bought the car for.
09-09-2014, 05:58 AM
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http://www.crateenginedepot.com/SS-V...0815C1009.aspx
It would be interesting to see if the ZL1 rotors would fit the stock wheels, ZL1's have 20" wheels.
You can buy the whole set up for $3200. There massive brakes, there also $800 less than the Brembo kit.
I have pretty much given up tracking my car this year and am just using my M3. I'll work over the winter improving the car. Stoptech is supposed to have a kit out very soon for this car as well.
Why the heck they didn't just put the ZL1 brakes on the Vette is beyond me.
It would be interesting to see if the ZL1 rotors would fit the stock wheels, ZL1's have 20" wheels.
You can buy the whole set up for $3200. There massive brakes, there also $800 less than the Brembo kit.
I have pretty much given up tracking my car this year and am just using my M3. I'll work over the winter improving the car. Stoptech is supposed to have a kit out very soon for this car as well.
Why the heck they didn't just put the ZL1 brakes on the Vette is beyond me.