Vengeance Racing | What can methanol do for you?
10-16-2014, 11:56 AM
#1
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Vengeance Racing | What can methanol do for you?
Methanol has become increasingly popular in the automotive performance world, and one of the most frequently asked questions from our customers is "what can methanol do for my car?".
This is a very understandable question, and one that is very easy to break down and explain in a simple way. Methanol injection systems are setup to inject a fine spray of methanol (a simple form of alcohol made from oxidizing methane gas) into the inlet stream of an engine. The methanol will both dramatically cool the incoming air charge, as well as raise the effective octane of the fuel coming into the vehicle, therefor lessening the risk for detonation and allowing more aggressive timing when tuning. In house, we tune using intake air temperature reference to avoid catastrophic failure if the methanol reservoir goes empty or a pump fails when driving.
Another very common question when discussing methanol is "what is the consumption rate of methanol, and what maintenance is involved?". This is a very difficult question to answer, since it depends on driving style and how the system is setup. VP M1 methanol can be obtained at any VP fuel distributor or most local race tracks, and runs roughly $30.00/5-gallon pail. When using a windshield washer reservoir system, you should get atleast two fills from one 5 gallon pail of M1 methanol.
Here in the shop, we use AlkyControl methanol systems that are able to be set up to inject progressively based on the MAF sensor or by boost reference (MAP). Injection by boost is very nice for our street car customers that are afraid of methanol consumption when driving in traffic or around town.
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Now for the power results:
1. 2014 Corvette C7 - VRSC750 Package - Dual Nozzle vs. Single Nozzle
This customer's vehicle came to us from Texas early this year for our VRSC750 performance package for the C7 Corvette. After completing installation and taking the car to the WannaGOFAST Texas 1/2 mile event, the customer wanted more power. We had the customer set up on a single nozzle AlkyControl system during the original installation, and knew that with the C7's limited fuel system, we would need to upgrade to the dual nozzle setup. The conversion is very straight forward, and allowed us to pulley down to 12psi on this particular C7.
The dyno graph below shows a comparison between the single nozzle system and the dual nozzle system on the same day.
34.13rwhp/31.24rwtq Increase!!
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2. 2011 Camaro SS w/ D-1SC Prochager Methanol vs. No Methanol
This customer's Camaro SS came to us originally with a goal in mind of building the car in stages since it was new in 2011. We started with your standard bolt-ons and then quickly moved to a VRSP-2 camshaft and Procharger D-1SC supercharger system. The car made excellent power throughout and drove extremely well on the street, however we had to keep the rev limiter back as the OEM fuel system and Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump were not enough to keep up with his new found horsepower.
To fix this, we installed a ZL1 OEM fuel pump and an AlkyControl dual nozzle methanol system. Unfortunately Procharger requires replacement of the OEM washer reservoir that we typically use for the methanol resevoir, so a trunk-mount kit was ordered for the project.
As you can see from the graph below, power and torque increased tremendously throughout the curve, and intake air temperatures dropped dramatically.
56.12rwhp/41.30rwtq Increase!
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3. 2013 Cadillac CTS-V - Methanol vs. No Methanol
Another great example of a methanol vs. no methanol comparison is our customer's 600hp CTS-V. This vehicle came to us for an install of a slew of bolt-on performance parts and the intention of adding methanol at a later date. After driving the car for a few weeks, the customer agreed that methanol would be the best course of action to maintain his IAT's when driving for extended periods, as well as pickup a bit more power than where he was at. For this vehicle, we utilized a single nozzle AlkyControl system with their windshield washer reservoir option.
This kit allowed us to push the car over the 600rwhp mark, as well as deliver a much more consistent vehicle. This customer is planning to attend the 1/2 mile events with us as well, and knows that intake air temperatures are key on a supercharged car to maintain power throughout the entire run.
46.08rwhp/56.51rwtq Increase!
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We offer methanol injection systems for all LSX and Gen V/LTX vehicles with either N/A, supercharged, or turbocharged applications. Feel free to give us a call to discuss your goals and how a Vengeance Racing installed methanol system can help you achieve them!
This is a very understandable question, and one that is very easy to break down and explain in a simple way. Methanol injection systems are setup to inject a fine spray of methanol (a simple form of alcohol made from oxidizing methane gas) into the inlet stream of an engine. The methanol will both dramatically cool the incoming air charge, as well as raise the effective octane of the fuel coming into the vehicle, therefor lessening the risk for detonation and allowing more aggressive timing when tuning. In house, we tune using intake air temperature reference to avoid catastrophic failure if the methanol reservoir goes empty or a pump fails when driving.
Another very common question when discussing methanol is "what is the consumption rate of methanol, and what maintenance is involved?". This is a very difficult question to answer, since it depends on driving style and how the system is setup. VP M1 methanol can be obtained at any VP fuel distributor or most local race tracks, and runs roughly $30.00/5-gallon pail. When using a windshield washer reservoir system, you should get atleast two fills from one 5 gallon pail of M1 methanol.
Here in the shop, we use AlkyControl methanol systems that are able to be set up to inject progressively based on the MAF sensor or by boost reference (MAP). Injection by boost is very nice for our street car customers that are afraid of methanol consumption when driving in traffic or around town.
---
Now for the power results:
1. 2014 Corvette C7 - VRSC750 Package - Dual Nozzle vs. Single Nozzle
This customer's vehicle came to us from Texas early this year for our VRSC750 performance package for the C7 Corvette. After completing installation and taking the car to the WannaGOFAST Texas 1/2 mile event, the customer wanted more power. We had the customer set up on a single nozzle AlkyControl system during the original installation, and knew that with the C7's limited fuel system, we would need to upgrade to the dual nozzle setup. The conversion is very straight forward, and allowed us to pulley down to 12psi on this particular C7.
The dyno graph below shows a comparison between the single nozzle system and the dual nozzle system on the same day.
34.13rwhp/31.24rwtq Increase!!
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2. 2011 Camaro SS w/ D-1SC Prochager Methanol vs. No Methanol
This customer's Camaro SS came to us originally with a goal in mind of building the car in stages since it was new in 2011. We started with your standard bolt-ons and then quickly moved to a VRSP-2 camshaft and Procharger D-1SC supercharger system. The car made excellent power throughout and drove extremely well on the street, however we had to keep the rev limiter back as the OEM fuel system and Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump were not enough to keep up with his new found horsepower.
To fix this, we installed a ZL1 OEM fuel pump and an AlkyControl dual nozzle methanol system. Unfortunately Procharger requires replacement of the OEM washer reservoir that we typically use for the methanol resevoir, so a trunk-mount kit was ordered for the project.
As you can see from the graph below, power and torque increased tremendously throughout the curve, and intake air temperatures dropped dramatically.
56.12rwhp/41.30rwtq Increase!
---
3. 2013 Cadillac CTS-V - Methanol vs. No Methanol
Another great example of a methanol vs. no methanol comparison is our customer's 600hp CTS-V. This vehicle came to us for an install of a slew of bolt-on performance parts and the intention of adding methanol at a later date. After driving the car for a few weeks, the customer agreed that methanol would be the best course of action to maintain his IAT's when driving for extended periods, as well as pickup a bit more power than where he was at. For this vehicle, we utilized a single nozzle AlkyControl system with their windshield washer reservoir option.
This kit allowed us to push the car over the 600rwhp mark, as well as deliver a much more consistent vehicle. This customer is planning to attend the 1/2 mile events with us as well, and knows that intake air temperatures are key on a supercharged car to maintain power throughout the entire run.
46.08rwhp/56.51rwtq Increase!
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We offer methanol injection systems for all LSX and Gen V/LTX vehicles with either N/A, supercharged, or turbocharged applications. Feel free to give us a call to discuss your goals and how a Vengeance Racing installed methanol system can help you achieve them!
10-19-2014, 02:43 PM
#4
Also curious to know if anyone has come up with a tank for it besides using washer fluid bottle ?
Like for the spare box behind driver seat in coupe would be perfect ?
10-24-2014, 05:00 PM
#6
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
I do apologize for not answering as early as I would have liked, but please see the responses below. Thank you!
1. Methanol can add a cleaning property to the engine as atomized methanol will clean carbon buildup from valves, valve seats, intake, etc.
2. Yes it can, but it will not have as extreme of a benefit as a forced induction vehicle.
We do offer remote mounting solutions for all vehicles. The kits are a bit more expensive, but can be done. The cubby in the rear of the car is actually a perfect area in the C7.
2. Yes it can, but it will not have as extreme of a benefit as a forced induction vehicle.
We do offer remote mounting solutions for all vehicles. The kits are a bit more expensive, but can be done. The cubby in the rear of the car is actually a perfect area in the C7.
10-26-2014, 08:42 PM
#7
Instructor
I do apologize for not answering as early as I would have liked, but please see the responses below. Thank you!
1. Methanol can add a cleaning property to the engine as atomized methanol will clean carbon buildup from valves, valve seats, intake, etc.
2. Yes it can, but it will not have as extreme of a benefit as a forced induction vehicle.
We do offer remote mounting solutions for all vehicles. The kits are a bit more expensive, but can be done. The cubby in the rear of the car is actually a perfect area in the C7.
1. Methanol can add a cleaning property to the engine as atomized methanol will clean carbon buildup from valves, valve seats, intake, etc.
2. Yes it can, but it will not have as extreme of a benefit as a forced induction vehicle.
We do offer remote mounting solutions for all vehicles. The kits are a bit more expensive, but can be done. The cubby in the rear of the car is actually a perfect area in the C7.
when you say the benefit is not as great on a non fi motor, Does that mean performance benefit or cleaning benefit.
I am thinking of adding the meth injection solely for its cleaning properties and if it has a small amount of performance benefit then that is a bonus
10-27-2014, 09:49 AM
#8
Former Vendor
You will see a slight increase in HP from the cooler IATs/higher effective octane, but the biggest benefit will be keep the back side of the valves clean.
We keep Alky Control systems on the shelf so give us a call if you would like to ask any additional questions or to place an order.