Unreal

Added cost is almost nothing. $20 for 5 gallons of meth. I used ~8 gallons last year. The cost is almost nothing and you don't fill it that often unless you are speedracer.

As for waiting for pumps, why not just do it now, keep the power within the safe limits (~580rwhp) and then if/when something comes out, you can crank it up later. 580rwhp is still a lot more fun than 400.

As for the title of the thread, A&A uses vortech units, ECS uses paxton/vortech units. Procharger is its own thing. I would rank them ECS>A&A>PC.

1ccrider

Unreal, That 8 gallons was how many miles of driving? Thanks CC

0ProChargerTech

Yes, he should defiantly do that. He will see that both systems have solid bracket designs featuring dedicated 8 rib drive systems.

Our bracket is currently out there supporting a F-1X on the M2K C7 that makes enough power to over power its current custom clutch set up, and countless other F1A, F1C, D1SC, and P1SC1 customers.

As far as parts break down, with our system absolutely NO expense was spared. And has some awesome advantages in the "parts break down" for the customer.

- No cutting of factory airbox

- We supply trimmed OEM under panels, so customer can keep his parts stock. (saves time on instal as well)

- Supplied MAF extension harness, so no tugging or splicing on the OEM harness.

- Molded silicon hoses, for super easy installation, and no metal tubes to rub, or rattle.

- All alum parts (such as crank pulley) are hard anodized for long lasting finish. (SFI balancer options for both major brands)

- Comes with handheld tuning, that is track proven at 1/4mile and road course.

- 3 solid days of rented track testing was performed, to prove out the absolute best intercooler system design, to compliment the aerodynamics of the Corvette C7.

CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING LINK: to how much testing went into intercoolers alone.
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If a person checks out the C5 and C6 sections these days on this forum. Its nearly impossible not to see the countless ultra high HP ProCharger cars, not just drag racing but also roll racing, and mile events.

C7's will be adding to that list each and every day.

If anyone would like and owners manual to our system before pulling the trigger, please contact ts@procharger.com or call 913-338-2886 if you prefer it to be mailed to you.

Thanks!

Unreal

~8k miles. Then again I have a friend that goes through 5 gallons a month, but he is constantly beating on the car. Even so, $20 a month for meth is pennies compared to gas/oil/maintence.

stangkilrproductions

Methenol injection is sort of a band aid on the C7's because on most setups you're using meth as an additional fuel source. What happens if the pump goes out? Ask a few shops and they will tell you.

T/A KID

What stangkiller said wait to put the Z06 pump/injectors/rail setup in, should bolt right up. Line pressure goes from around 2170 to 2900psi. This is going to supply so much fuel. And its all under the intake manifold.

DOUG @ ECS

Then IMHO you are asking the wrong shops. Ask the shops that are currently making big power from the C7 and I'm confident you will get a different answer.

For conversation lets say the fuel supply is endless, you still need octane to make over 600 with the C7's high compression engine. So would you then run race fuel all the time? Hassle.. and you do not get the IAT benefit.

Yes any mechanical part can fail, but it is very easy to tune in safeties threw the ECM, and when you're spraying enough to add the octane needed to make 700+ from a stock engine, if it was to fail the car goes so lean that it no longer makes enough power to melt it down.

We introduced meth injection to this forum many years ago now, we have certainly had failures over that time, but we have it down to just being a repair and go process.

I do not think any other shop has produced so many 700+ RWHP stock engine cars as we have (literally several hundred LS2/3's with a 1% failure rate) So I am speaking from experience on this.

Hope that helps.

Julio

I agree with Doug.

Any modification done to a vehicle to increase its HP will come with some additional maintenance. Whether changing the oil on a blower, going through additional routines in service changing Diff, Tranny, etc fluids.. checking tires, being on top of oil changes, etc. The meth pump goes into those loops. If you use a system and not check it or maintain it.. it is what it is.

Even done using a teeny nozzle spraying on top of an existing tuneup.. there are benefits.

When a kit works.. it makes a high difference. Just like when a blower works.. it makes a huge difference. Technology and time have advanced the way things work in the last 20 years. Poke around the C5 and C6 sections for some history.. the C7 simply reaps the benefits of the advances learned on the previous cars. This applies to a lot of products.

Rez90

Every reputable corvette tuner out there uses Meth Injection.

blown81bu

anyone have intercooler pics of the AA kit and the procharger Kit

13 months later now things improve at all?

C7-Beast

I don't agree. I made a mistake installing a breather/catch can incorrecty and the Meth controller was not getting enough signal from a vacuum line and when I tried to go into boost the tune pulled timing immediately going into boost. That is a pretty nice safety feature that I got with a tune by Doug at ECS. If the pump fails, you will know when the ECM pulls timing and that will keep it from granading the motor.

If shops are telling you that you will damage the engine if a Meth part fails, you really want to think twice about letting them tune your car.

Detoxx03

Meth tuned properly makes all the sense in the world. I love my Alky Control kit and my ProCharger.

officermartinez

I'll just add our 2 cents to this thread because in 2015, we did exactly what you are considering. What started out as a "supercharged" C7 Z51 build, later became an obsession of getting the most out of what we had. Like hundreds (or possibly thousands) of others, we started out with the ECS 1500 supercharger at roughly 10 lbs of boost on our high compression factory engine. We added American Racing Long Tube Headers and a single nozzle ALKY METH CONTROL kit spraying 100% M1 Methanol. That netted us 662 - 670 rwhp (depending on the dyno).. that puts our crank HP at roughly 790 - 795 hp. Not too shabby at all.

Roughly 3-4 months later, we lost a race to a 1000hp Ford Shelby Mustang which prompted us to push our car even harder. Skip ahead to 7 weeks ago. We decided to take our car back for a complete overhaul. Our tuner company gutted our C7. We kept our ECS 1500 supercharger and changed out the pulley. We forged our internals and upped the boost. Did a heads / cam upgrade, stall converter, dual nozzle ALKY METH kit, Borla axle back exhaust, etc.. the result: roughly 850 rwhp (estimated 1020 crank hp). We are sold on the ECS kit with running 100% M1 methanol. Color us impressed.. our car is a beast (maybe even too fast for a street car.. is there such a thing? ..haha!).

I'm sure the other supercharger units are good but since I don't have those units, I can only speak on what worked for us. We recommend ECS superchargers / ALKY METH CONTROL units to everyone who wants / asks for our opinion. It's a serious combo for C7 Stingray owners who want to exceed C7 Z06 power levels. To this day, we haven't had a single issue with our supercharger or alky meth kit. We keep up on our maintenance and we actively check our methanol levels each week. We even called Julio to order a new pump and a second nozzle line and spoke to him directly. He is a super easy going guy and the customer service was superb / top notch.

Unreal

~8k miles

That all depends on how you drive. Some can do 5 gallons a month. I use 1 gallon or so a month. Not a big deal. Even at 5 gallons a month, $20 a month is nothing.

0Cajun @ Edgyvette

6 of one, half dozen of the other. Both GREAT systems. BER will provide BEST SHIPPED price in the nation. Period

on3wego

I have a procharger as well. I love the looks, power and builder said it was simple to install. Good tuning characteristics.

My car made 840/780 on 12# and I'm on a 416 now with 16# making over 900rwhp.

The meth dilemma is correct.. it is a band aid for both e85 and pump gas.. if the pump goes out. Do NOT be worried.. it's all in the TUNE. if the pump goes out and the tune isnot done correctly (speed density tune, or knock sensors turned off) it will blow your motor up... but if it's tuned correctly, knock sensors on, iat breakout, and tuned right the car will sense the lower intake charge and fuel supply and pull timing which will make the car fall on its face but won't hurt the engine. Have to do things correctly without cutting corners

BTW procharger is a great product. I would really consider them.

C7-Beast

This is exactly what happened to me. When the Method controller was not getting what it needed it shut down. The car would fall flat on it's face when going into boost. As noted, it's all about the tune.

on3wego

If you have a tuner that only cares about quantity rather than quality it's bound to happen the car will blow up. Spend the money and tune the car correctly. No reason people car should blow up for a bad tune or someone that's just learning the c7s.. go to someone that's been tuning c7s and do it right the first time. Do not be afraid of methanol injection. Devils own and alky r the best kits to have

StingerBG

Where are you getting your meth from?

Unreal

Fuel supplier or local speed shop that gets it from local fuel supplier.

In my case Western State Petroleum.