C7 Manual Shifter: Really that Bad?
02-22-2015, 09:36 AM
#61
Drifting
The stock shifter is fine. Look, a lot of us, me included, are upgrade/mod junkies. This is our hobby, this is what we do for fun and one of the ways in which we spend our money. If we cam improve the performance of a stock part, you bet we are going to jump on it.
The MGW has less throw and a tighter box, so for a few hundred and a reason to spend an hour or two tinkering in the garage on the install is worth it. Is it needed? Hell no, but neither are the dozen other mods we've done to our cars. It's all about the mod junkies in many of us!
The MGW has less throw and a tighter box, so for a few hundred and a reason to spend an hour or two tinkering in the garage on the install is worth it. Is it needed? Hell no, but neither are the dozen other mods we've done to our cars. It's all about the mod junkies in many of us!
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911Hunter (12-26-2022)
02-22-2015, 10:38 AM
#62
The stock shifter is fine. Look, a lot of us, me included, are upgrade/mod junkies. This is our hobby, this is what we do for fun and one of the ways in which we spend our money. If we cam improve the performance of a stock part, you bet we are going to jump on it.
The MGW has less throw and a tighter box, so for a few hundred and a reason to spend an hour or two tinkering in the garage on the install is worth it. Is it needed? Hell no, but neither are the dozen other mods we've done to our cars. It's all about the mod junkies in many of us!
The MGW has less throw and a tighter box, so for a few hundred and a reason to spend an hour or two tinkering in the garage on the install is worth it. Is it needed? Hell no, but neither are the dozen other mods we've done to our cars. It's all about the mod junkies in many of us!
02-22-2015, 05:16 PM
#63
Melting Slicks
I had a B&M then a MGW In my C6 so I put the MGW in my C7.
Huge improvement. I bought the threaded shaft which adjusts the shaft length thus ratio. I adjusted mine to about the stock height but you can make it shorter or longer than stock. I like the ratio a little shorter but I think the best feature is how tight it feel. No slop. The best description is a rifle bolt. Much easier to find 3rd, 5th and 7th. Using the stock shifter, I had trouble going from 4th to 5th. I often went to 7th.
Up shifting to 3rd, 5th and 7th is really more accurate and simple. Just move it forward and slightly to the right. Move the shifter toward 1:00 o'clock and you are in the next gear. The stock shifter requires concentration and finesse to hit 3rd, 5th, and 7th. The tighter MGW makes it easier.
Huge improvement. I bought the threaded shaft which adjusts the shaft length thus ratio. I adjusted mine to about the stock height but you can make it shorter or longer than stock. I like the ratio a little shorter but I think the best feature is how tight it feel. No slop. The best description is a rifle bolt. Much easier to find 3rd, 5th and 7th. Using the stock shifter, I had trouble going from 4th to 5th. I often went to 7th.
Up shifting to 3rd, 5th and 7th is really more accurate and simple. Just move it forward and slightly to the right. Move the shifter toward 1:00 o'clock and you are in the next gear. The stock shifter requires concentration and finesse to hit 3rd, 5th, and 7th. The tighter MGW makes it easier.
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911Hunter (12-26-2022)
02-23-2015, 02:20 AM
#64
Racer
The stock shifter is fine. Look, a lot of us, me included, are upgrade/mod junkies. This is our hobby, this is what we do for fun and one of the ways in which we spend our money. If we cam improve the performance of a stock part, you bet we are going to jump on it.
The MGW has less throw and a tighter box, so for a few hundred and a reason to spend an hour or two tinkering in the garage on the install is worth it. Is it needed? Hell no, but neither are the dozen other mods we've done to our cars. It's all about the mod junkies in many of us!
The MGW has less throw and a tighter box, so for a few hundred and a reason to spend an hour or two tinkering in the garage on the install is worth it. Is it needed? Hell no, but neither are the dozen other mods we've done to our cars. It's all about the mod junkies in many of us!
02-24-2015, 07:09 PM
#66
BUTCH
7 Speed
HI
I have a brand new ZO6, I live in New York, ,I have been driving the car just about every day it doesnt snow,,,we have been getting brutal cold weather,,,
The shifter when it is cold is hard, stiff, etc. but once the car warms up,she shifts great, much better then my C6 did
again installing a short shifter is a drivers choice, I myself I happy just the way Chevy made the car
PS,,,,when its cold, the car is an animal to control,,,but still puts a smile on my face
Manny
I have a brand new ZO6, I live in New York, ,I have been driving the car just about every day it doesnt snow,,,we have been getting brutal cold weather,,,
The shifter when it is cold is hard, stiff, etc. but once the car warms up,she shifts great, much better then my C6 did
again installing a short shifter is a drivers choice, I myself I happy just the way Chevy made the car
PS,,,,when its cold, the car is an animal to control,,,but still puts a smile on my face
Manny
02-26-2015, 03:25 AM
#67
Team Owner
I've read lots of earlier posts that praise the performance and ease of installation of the MGW short-throw shifter. My question is: is the stock C7 shifter really that bad? - on a brand new"state of the art 7-speed? Is this something I honestly need to think about budgeting for? (Yeah, obviously I don't have my car yet and haven't test driven a manual.)
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02-28-2015, 04:23 PM
#70
Le Mans Master
I got my polyurethane bushings in the mail from Zip yesterday and am excited to get them installed. Quality looks good. I think their website has installation instructions, but I'll have to double check that.
Two questions for Zip:
1. What is the durometer rating?
2. Why not make USPS Priority a shipping option? I'll be faster and cheaper than UPS Ground for these small items (2-3 days for $5 vs. over a week for $9).
Two questions for Zip:
1. What is the durometer rating?
2. Why not make USPS Priority a shipping option? I'll be faster and cheaper than UPS Ground for these small items (2-3 days for $5 vs. over a week for $9).
02-28-2015, 04:31 PM
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This entire thread is based on a subjective question... 
Essentially, it's the same as asking "Do you really need more than 465hp?" We've had those threads here, too - a lot of them.
The answer is personal preference. The stock shifter is not bad - the MGW is simply better. It's designed to work and feel better than the stocker, plain and simple.
For people that like the stock feel, and don't want the feel of a closer gate, there's no need. For others who want a different feel, or feel like modding, it's a good (cheap) place to start.
Having almost everything from A to Z modded, it's still one of my favorite additions. I could have sworn we had a '2-cents' smiley...
Essentially, it's the same as asking "Do you really need more than 465hp?" We've had those threads here, too - a lot of them.
The answer is personal preference. The stock shifter is not bad - the MGW is simply better. It's designed to work and feel better than the stocker, plain and simple.
For people that like the stock feel, and don't want the feel of a closer gate, there's no need. For others who want a different feel, or feel like modding, it's a good (cheap) place to start.
Having almost everything from A to Z modded, it's still one of my favorite additions. I could have sworn we had a '2-cents' smiley...
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02-28-2015, 05:02 PM
#72
Heel & Toe
I've never had a vette before... This is a vette like no other - - but I have had problems shifting my new C7 and I have many manual shift transmission vehicles. It got to be a pain to have to watch closely when shifting to make sure I wasn't going into the wrong gear. I just installed an MGW flat stick and it looks great. The install wasn't bad... the videos weren't for the flat stick as it's too new but just looking at the quality difference between OEM and the MGW... it is stark! I haven't been able to try it out on the road yet as we are still in winter here but the feel is substantially more precise. Maybe if I had to budget to buy the MGW, I would just put up with the OEM shifter... but then again, if I had to budget, I wouldn't have this C7 to start with. If you can afford this car, you surely should be able to afford a state-of-the-art shifting linkage for it.
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02-28-2015, 05:12 PM
#74
Heel & Toe
If it was a "good shifter" there wouldn't be all this discussion about so many people having problems with it... I think it is an "acceptable shifter" not a good shifter. There are much better linkages out there. When I spend over $60,000 for a sports car, I want it to shift great, not just acceptably. And, I'm willing to spend $400 to get that accomplished.
It may have cost $60,000 - $80,000 but it competes with cars costing a quarter of a million. With the MGW, it shifts as well or better too.
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It may have cost $60,000 - $80,000 but it competes with cars costing a quarter of a million. With the MGW, it shifts as well or better too.
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Originally Posted by Nosferatu;15400 to 88972341
it's a good shifter but here's a few things I've noticed...
Cold start getting into 1st requires just a little more effort than I'd expect. Once it's put into 1st a few times it's fine the remainder of the drive.
In addition, it can take some getting used to going from 4th to 5th vs 7th. In addition, downshifting from 7th to 6th you may find yourself going into 4th.
Lastly, not a fault of the shifter, but the transmission ratios could have been handled better. Why from 3rd to 4th is there a HUGE gap on Z51? 3rd ends at around 104mph and 4th takes you to almost 150. Should have made 5th 1:1 and a 4th gear less steep.
Cold start getting into 1st requires just a little more effort than I'd expect. Once it's put into 1st a few times it's fine the remainder of the drive.
In addition, it can take some getting used to going from 4th to 5th vs 7th. In addition, downshifting from 7th to 6th you may find yourself going into 4th.
Lastly, not a fault of the shifter, but the transmission ratios could have been handled better. Why from 3rd to 4th is there a HUGE gap on Z51? 3rd ends at around 104mph and 4th takes you to almost 150. Should have made 5th 1:1 and a 4th gear less steep.
03-01-2015, 06:59 AM
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If it was a "good shifter" there wouldn't be all this discussion about so many people having problems with it... I think it is an "acceptable shifter" not a good shifter. There are much better linkages out there. When I spend over $60,000 for a sports car, I want it to shift great, not just acceptably. And, I'm willing to spend $400 to get that accomplished.
It may have cost $60,000 - $80,000 but it competes with cars costing a quarter of a million. With the MGW, it shifts as well or better too.
$
It may have cost $60,000 - $80,000 but it competes with cars costing a quarter of a million. With the MGW, it shifts as well or better too.
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03-01-2015, 01:52 PM
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Le Mans Master
Good video, thank you! Does the MGW use bushings or mount directly?
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03-01-2015, 02:58 PM
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Drifting
My MGW shifter is on order. I've watched the install video and would like any feedback from those who have already installed it. What issues or problems did you incur and what, if anything, would you do different if you did it again? TIA