Is this where GM is headed with technology?
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Is this where GM is headed with technology?
Sorry if a repeat but this could become upsetting if carried out.
http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-...illegal/76702/
http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-...illegal/76702/
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Sorry if a repeat but this could become upsetting if carried out.
http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-...illegal/76702/
http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-...illegal/76702/
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The article seems focused on software ownership concerns, not whether you can fix you own brakes and change your spark plugs. The car companies want to protect their intellectual property just like the computer companies do. You had to click agreement on software rights during installations on the computer you're looking at, just to have the right to use it. Microsoft doesn't allow you to copy, sell, pirate, or otherwise change their software, legally anyway, and the car manufacturers don't want to allow that either. You bought and own the car, but like your computer, you only have rights of use of the software, not ownership. Also, think about the liabilities GM might incur if you monkey with the software and create a dangerous situation that might make GM look to be at fault. They've had problems enough of their own making without allowing owners to modify the software into a possibly dangerous situation.
As far as big government is concerned, this isn't government stepping in where they aren't wanted. They've been asked to allow GM and others to have the same rights as software companies.
We could debate the Affordable Care Act all day but not here. But as a reminder, many people thought Social Security was a bad idea when it was started, such as driving small companies out of business, but you can't pry it out of the people's hands now. And NO! SS is not an entitlement, we pay for it every payday. (Frodo climbs down off his soap-box.)
And now... back to your regular programming
As far as big government is concerned, this isn't government stepping in where they aren't wanted. They've been asked to allow GM and others to have the same rights as software companies.
We could debate the Affordable Care Act all day but not here. But as a reminder, many people thought Social Security was a bad idea when it was started, such as driving small companies out of business, but you can't pry it out of the people's hands now. And NO! SS is not an entitlement, we pay for it every payday. (Frodo climbs down off his soap-box.)
And now... back to your regular programming
#4
This is premptive. They want the laws in place because in coming years all new cars will be communicating with each other. If you think of the Internet as a Grid (like the power companies), then think of this as a Grid for cars.
THey want to be able to prosecute hackers. And it's already becoming a problem because car manufacturers don't know jack about encryption. It's so easy to steal a new car these days by just buying the circuit boards and a soldering iron, it's not even funny. Cloning the remote frequencies and the PATS system is laughable. Luckily most car thieves haven't caught on yet, but they are catching up quickly.
When you start offering cars with Wi-Fi, think about how easy it would be to break into that, change settings, and cause chaos on the road.
You would be amazed at how many hackers are attempting to break into your home network right this minute. It's constant, and most of it comes from places like China and other third world countries. Hell, I've even caught someone in Microsoft's brazil facility trying once or twice. Our own government cannot secure its networks against the Chinese and North Korea. And Car Manufacturers farm out their software development to third parties. Do you think your car is going to be safe in the coming years? And people think Apple's Car Play and BBM (Sync 3 for Ford) is going to be safe. I'd rather have Microsoft doing the programming because they've been dealing with this crap for decades. The last time Apple had a security flaw, it took them months to even acknowledge there WAS one, and the update took another two months. And if you think your iPhone is safe. hehe. HAHA.
If you've lived in South Carolina at any time in the last ten years, guess what, your data has been sold to the highest bidder. SC's tax database was hacked a few years ago and they took EVERYTHING.
Your new Organized Crime Syndicates operate on the Internet. Forget the old Mafia bosses. Organized Internet Criminal Enterprises have skyrocketed in the last 5 years. India, Russia, and China (to name a few) are home to some of the most profitable online-crime syndicates in the world.
The sad part is, this won't stop them. All it will do is stop the tuners. SO once again law abiding citizens will feel the squeeze. The first time an autonomous car delivers you to some serial killers house instead of your own home, there will be a big stink about it. heh.
I have worked in IT all my life. It used to be a hobby of mine to study the logs of hackers attempting to gain access to various networks. I'm also one of those few, but growing members of the IT community that believe Technology is being used in ways it shouldn't, but the human race has a real bad tendency of taking something good and going too far with it and causing more problems than they can combat. It has its place in society, just not in our cars to the extent that car manufacturers are pushing for. If you don't believe me, just take a look at what the Internet has become. It's so full of bad information (in part, put out there by the major governments around the globe) that it becomes more and more difficult to find the truth. Disinformation is the tool most used to clog up the Internet with false facts and figures to bury the truth about what is going on in the world. Our own government has resorted to DDOS and botnet hacks to take down sites to try and keep information from getting out.
THey want to be able to prosecute hackers. And it's already becoming a problem because car manufacturers don't know jack about encryption. It's so easy to steal a new car these days by just buying the circuit boards and a soldering iron, it's not even funny. Cloning the remote frequencies and the PATS system is laughable. Luckily most car thieves haven't caught on yet, but they are catching up quickly.
When you start offering cars with Wi-Fi, think about how easy it would be to break into that, change settings, and cause chaos on the road.
You would be amazed at how many hackers are attempting to break into your home network right this minute. It's constant, and most of it comes from places like China and other third world countries. Hell, I've even caught someone in Microsoft's brazil facility trying once or twice. Our own government cannot secure its networks against the Chinese and North Korea. And Car Manufacturers farm out their software development to third parties. Do you think your car is going to be safe in the coming years? And people think Apple's Car Play and BBM (Sync 3 for Ford) is going to be safe. I'd rather have Microsoft doing the programming because they've been dealing with this crap for decades. The last time Apple had a security flaw, it took them months to even acknowledge there WAS one, and the update took another two months. And if you think your iPhone is safe. hehe. HAHA.
If you've lived in South Carolina at any time in the last ten years, guess what, your data has been sold to the highest bidder. SC's tax database was hacked a few years ago and they took EVERYTHING.
Your new Organized Crime Syndicates operate on the Internet. Forget the old Mafia bosses. Organized Internet Criminal Enterprises have skyrocketed in the last 5 years. India, Russia, and China (to name a few) are home to some of the most profitable online-crime syndicates in the world.
The sad part is, this won't stop them. All it will do is stop the tuners. SO once again law abiding citizens will feel the squeeze. The first time an autonomous car delivers you to some serial killers house instead of your own home, there will be a big stink about it. heh.
I have worked in IT all my life. It used to be a hobby of mine to study the logs of hackers attempting to gain access to various networks. I'm also one of those few, but growing members of the IT community that believe Technology is being used in ways it shouldn't, but the human race has a real bad tendency of taking something good and going too far with it and causing more problems than they can combat. It has its place in society, just not in our cars to the extent that car manufacturers are pushing for. If you don't believe me, just take a look at what the Internet has become. It's so full of bad information (in part, put out there by the major governments around the globe) that it becomes more and more difficult to find the truth. Disinformation is the tool most used to clog up the Internet with false facts and figures to bury the truth about what is going on in the world. Our own government has resorted to DDOS and botnet hacks to take down sites to try and keep information from getting out.
Last edited by CriticalmassGT; 04-29-2015 at 12:22 PM.
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Understand the reasoning put forth by the last 2 posters. Problem is when you get Gov involved in things there is a never ending list of un intended consequences with most having at the minimum a cost of freedom if not also financial. This sounds like it needs to be in the political section.