C7 Tech/Performance Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Quick T-stat question, 2014 vs 2015 or Z06?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-06-2015, 10:41 AM
  #1  
NoOne
Team Owner
Thread Starter
 
NoOne's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 1999
Location: Auburn Hills MI
Posts: 34,551
Received 503 Likes on 247 Posts

Default Quick T-stat question, 2014 vs 2015 or Z06?

I think Higgs said on here that 2015's run a lot cooler than 2014's and may have a different T-stat.

Also he thought that the Z06 had a 160 T-stat.

Does the Z06 part fit a 2014? I assume I can get one much quicker at a dealer than from LPE who no longer lists them, and maybe thats the reason why they no longer list them because a dealer part will fit.

Anyone know if the 2015 part changed, is it a lower temp like the Z06?
Old 07-06-2015, 11:41 AM
  #2  
Higgs Boson
Race Director
 
Higgs Boson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 10,763
Received 2,379 Likes on 1,238 Posts

Default

I don't think I said the Z06 had a 160, I'll check the tune file when I get home this evening, I would be surprised if it didn't say 194 like everything else.

I have noticed 2015 owners stating their normal coolant temps are around 200 vs 215 for many 2014 owners (outliers removed).

The only real solution right now is the quality piece made by LMR. I wouldn't bother with anything else.
Old 07-06-2015, 12:14 PM
  #3  
motomanvette
Melting Slicks
 
motomanvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2014
Posts: 2,611
Likes: 0
Received 89 Likes on 65 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
I don't think I said the Z06 had a 160, I'll check the tune file when I get home this evening, I would be surprised if it didn't say 194 like everything else.

I have noticed 2015 owners stating their normal coolant temps are around 200 vs 215 for many 2014 owners (outliers removed).

The only real solution right now is the quality piece made by LMR. I wouldn't bother with anything else.
That's Late Model Racecraft, correct? They have a one piece solution?
Thanx Higgs.
Old 07-06-2015, 12:42 PM
  #4  
NoOne
Team Owner
Thread Starter
 
NoOne's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 1999
Location: Auburn Hills MI
Posts: 34,551
Received 503 Likes on 247 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
I don't think I said the Z06 had a 160, I'll check the tune file when I get home this evening, I would be surprised if it didn't say 194 like everything else.

I have noticed 2015 owners stating their normal coolant temps are around 200 vs 215 for many 2014 owners (outliers removed).

The only real solution right now is the quality piece made by LMR. I wouldn't bother with anything else.
Someone said it....thought it was you but if its not any different on the Z06 then that's not an option either way.

I'll have to dig back through my searching yesterday and see if I can find the thread.

Called LMR but got disconnected on my end...LPE does not carry them anymore and they are redesigning them, 2 month wait time.

Not super excited about a $300 thermostat but doesn't look like much else is available right now.
Old 07-06-2015, 01:38 PM
  #5  
NoOne
Team Owner
Thread Starter
 
NoOne's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 1999
Location: Auburn Hills MI
Posts: 34,551
Received 503 Likes on 247 Posts

Default

Ordered the LMR unit.

They are not in stock so have to wait 2-3 weeks.

Makes me wonder though at $300 for a T-stat versus $750 for a radiator would the $450 extra be better spent on the rad in the long run?
Old 07-06-2015, 01:58 PM
  #6  
10mm_
Melting Slicks
 
10mm_'s Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2014
Location: Fayetteville North Carolina
Posts: 2,204
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
St. Jude Donor '15
Default

My 2015 runs right at 188-192 (fluctuates) even in ambient temps up to 100 degrees F.


I would for sure do a radiator over a t-stat if I wanted my car to run cooler, actually increasing the cooling capacity will help a lot more than simply opening the t-stat sooner.
Old 07-06-2015, 02:49 PM
  #7  
Higgs Boson
Race Director
 
Higgs Boson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 10,763
Received 2,379 Likes on 1,238 Posts

Default

300 is a lot for the thermostat and what it does for sure. however, people spend more than that on stuff that looks stupid under the hood so you are getting a billet housing that looks pretty cool as well.
Old 07-06-2015, 04:04 PM
  #8  
Wormwood
Racer
 
Wormwood's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2013
Location: Little Rock AR
Posts: 308
Received 44 Likes on 21 Posts

Default

Wait, I thought Tag said the reason for the operating temps. on the 2014 was specifically for emissions? If so, I'd doubt they decided to lower the operating temps. unless the changed something in the emissions. Maybe they're slipping this under the radar....

I agree with Boson, the 2014's are running with a 100°C thermostat & I think the 2015 maybe have a 90°C thermostat. Oddly enough I can't seem to home-in a part # for either year model, looking online.

Wormwood
Old 07-06-2015, 04:11 PM
  #9  
Higgs Boson
Race Director
 
Higgs Boson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 10,763
Received 2,379 Likes on 1,238 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by motomanvette
That's Late Model Racecraft, correct? They have a one piece solution?
Thanx Higgs.
yes sir!
Old 07-06-2015, 04:37 PM
  #10  
Wormwood
Racer
 
Wormwood's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2013
Location: Little Rock AR
Posts: 308
Received 44 Likes on 21 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 10mm_
My 2015 runs right at 188-192 (fluctuates) even in ambient temps up to 100 degrees F.


I would for sure do a radiator over a t-stat if I wanted my car to run cooler, actually increasing the cooling capacity will help a lot more than simply opening the t-stat sooner.
The DeWitt radiator increases the efficiency & capacity but neither will lower your temp. It will however slightly delay the rise of your oil temps. though due to the oil path design. The tstat will regulate the operating temps. but you'll still have a wide operating variance depending on your speed & ambients.

The cooling package requires a new radiator, tstat, & most importantly adjustments to the ECM to operate at a temp. that's lower than stock & in relation to the tstat you installed. This, as a package solution, has no drawbacks that I have found.

Anything less than those 3 items, I think would cause problems down the road. What your aiming for is a steady rise to operating temp. & maintaining that operating temp. for the entire drive cycle. The use of only 1 or 2 of the 3 items above will create oscillations in your operating temps. & can be damaging ( I.E. If you have a 160°F tstat you're going to chill the engine on the freeway & heat it up at a traffic light.) This is by definition work-hardening.

Wormwood
Old 07-06-2015, 08:41 PM
  #11  
RussM05
Melting Slicks
 
RussM05's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2012
Location: Thomas Texas
Posts: 2,221
Received 1,012 Likes on 365 Posts

Default

I still believe lowering the IAT will help because it gets really hot under the hood even with a a lower 'stat. But how to do that is a real tough task. I bought an aftermarket intake system but went back to stock but with a K&N filter. I bought an insulation sleeve to go over both radiator hoses. These run under the air intake, so it should help a little.
Old 07-06-2015, 08:54 PM
  #12  
sycraft
Burning Brakes
 
sycraft's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Location: Katy Texas
Posts: 873
Received 85 Likes on 67 Posts

Default

I run right at 170 with my LMR Thermostat while moving in 100 degree Texas Heat, never above 190 in traffic or sitting... LMR unit is worth the wait and works...
Attached Images    
Old 07-06-2015, 10:36 PM
  #13  
BJ67
Melting Slicks
 
BJ67's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2012
Location: SUFFIELD CONNECTICUT
Posts: 2,908
Received 591 Likes on 372 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by RussM05
I still believe lowering the IAT will help because it gets really hot under the hood even with a a lower 'stat. But how to do that is a real tough task. I bought an aftermarket intake system but went back to stock but with a K&N filter. I bought an insulation sleeve to go over both radiator hoses. These run under the air intake, so it should help a little.
Hello RussM05, I may have asked you this once before, what do I need to buy and plug in to monitor IAT's. I have a diablo tuner, can I do it with that?
I also have been experimenting cooling down the intake path. I have had some luck with the AFE unit. I have insulated or blocked off any place where hot air is pulled in front of the actual filter box that bolts up to the inner fender. You first need to seal up where the air filter boxes mounts to the inner fender by making a foam gasket and go from there. I opened up the air intake hole under the right headlight accessed by unbolting the right wheel plastic housing which goes out front under the grill. I also removed the right lower corner grille block off plate , easily to access once the wheel well is moved out of the way.
that done after insulating all the hot water pipes and hoses, My filter housing is cool to touch after any type of driving when I open the hood after parking it in the garage. If the evening air is 65 degrees, the box is that cool also. I am working on a brake duct that hooks in behind the lower right corner of the grill for z51 cars to direct the open grill to that air intake hole mentioned
Old 07-07-2015, 02:30 AM
  #14  
3 Z06ZR1
Team Owner
 
3 Z06ZR1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,936
Received 900 Likes on 742 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 10mm_
My 2015 runs right at 188-192 (fluctuates) even in ambient temps up to 100 degrees F.


I would for sure do a radiator over a t-stat if I wanted my car to run cooler, actually increasing the cooling capacity will help a lot more than simply opening the t-stat sooner.
300 for a tstat is nuts. Should be able to drill some holes in the stock one.
Old 07-07-2015, 02:41 AM
  #15  
3 Z06ZR1
Team Owner
 
3 Z06ZR1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,936
Received 900 Likes on 742 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by BJ67
Hello RussM05, I may have asked you this once before, what do I need to buy and plug in to monitor IAT's. I have a diablo tuner, can I do it with that?
I also have been experimenting cooling down the intake path. I have had some luck with the AFE unit. I have insulated or blocked off any place where hot air is pulled in front of the actual filter box that bolts up to the inner fender. You first need to seal up where the air filter boxes mounts to the inner fender by making a foam gasket and go from there. I opened up the air intake hole under the right headlight accessed by unbolting the right wheel plastic housing which goes out front under the grill. I also removed the right lower corner grille block off plate , easily to access once the wheel well is moved out of the way.
that done after insulating all the hot water pipes and hoses, My filter housing is cool to touch after any type of driving when I open the hood after parking it in the garage. If the evening air is 65 degrees, the box is that cool also. I am working on a brake duct that hooks in behind the lower right corner of the grill for z51 cars to direct the open grill to that air intake hole mentioned
You can buy a I think it's ( I looked and it is at the other house called an Action II it resets CEL's but also reads data and you can hit freeze
and it freezes the data. SO you can print it out.
Like IAT's to cat temps to timing. I used to use it often when I had blower kits I would look the Iat's and timing and so forth.
Old 07-07-2015, 06:59 AM
  #16  
RussM05
Melting Slicks
 
RussM05's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2012
Location: Thomas Texas
Posts: 2,221
Received 1,012 Likes on 365 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by BJ67
Hello RussM05, I may have asked you this once before, what do I need to buy and plug in to monitor IAT's. I have a diablo tuner, can I do it with that?
I also have been experimenting cooling down the intake path. I have had some luck with the AFE unit. I have insulated or blocked off any place where hot air is pulled in front of the actual filter box that bolts up to the inner fender. You first need to seal up where the air filter boxes mounts to the inner fender by making a foam gasket and go from there. I opened up the air intake hole under the right headlight accessed by unbolting the right wheel plastic housing which goes out front under the grill. I also removed the right lower corner grille block off plate , easily to access once the wheel well is moved out of the way.
that done after insulating all the hot water pipes and hoses, My filter housing is cool to touch after any type of driving when I open the hood after parking it in the garage. If the evening air is 65 degrees, the box is that cool also. I am working on a brake duct that hooks in behind the lower right corner of the grill for z51 cars to direct the open grill to that air intake hole mentioned
I use HP Tuners to log ambient and IAT. Down load to Excel and graph.
Below is a graph of the OEM air intake system. The red line is the IAT. During the 40 minute drive, note it stays close to ambient. Once coolant is up to temp, the IAT stabilizes a few degrees above ambient at over 50 mph. But once vehicle speed falls below 50, IAT goes up. Less air is moving through the air intake system and the heat soak of the filter housing starts. The coolant hoses and run right under the air intake assembly. Less air is moving thru the engine compartment as speed drops. Race cars really try to block heat from the intake system but our C7 really doesn't. I am seeing 40* or more rise at stop lights.

Old 07-07-2015, 06:42 PM
  #17  
NoOne
Team Owner
Thread Starter
 
NoOne's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 1999
Location: Auburn Hills MI
Posts: 34,551
Received 503 Likes on 247 Posts

Default

Now this is more frustrating.

I went to look up the price and availability of a Dewitts radiator to find out they are less than 25 minutes from me.

I should have checked because you'd be surprised how many performance product manufacturers there are in Michigan.

Get notified of new replies

To Quick T-stat question, 2014 vs 2015 or Z06?

Old 07-08-2015, 05:45 PM
  #18  
Wormwood
Racer
 
Wormwood's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2013
Location: Little Rock AR
Posts: 308
Received 44 Likes on 21 Posts

Default

Can someone confirm that the LT1 engine has a reverse flow coolant system?

Coolant comes in from the radiator to the heads & then down thru the block & back to the radiator?

Wormwood
Old 07-08-2015, 07:13 PM
  #19  
davekp78
Melting Slicks
 
davekp78's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2005
Location: merritt island fl
Posts: 2,670
Received 131 Likes on 109 Posts
C1 of Year Finalist (stock) 2019
2016 C1 of the Year Finalist
2015 C2 of the Year Finalist

Default

Originally Posted by Wormwood
Can someone confirm that the LT1 engine has a reverse flow coolant system?

Coolant comes in from the radiator to the heads & then down thru the block & back to the radiator?

Wormwood
No it doesn't. To prove it to yourself, start up from cold. Keep feeling the hoses. The engine outlet will get hot first.
Old 07-08-2015, 07:38 PM
  #20  
Higgs Boson
Race Director
 
Higgs Boson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 10,763
Received 2,379 Likes on 1,238 Posts

Default

The LT1 from the 90's had a reverse flow cooling system.


Quick Reply: Quick T-stat question, 2014 vs 2015 or Z06?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:18 AM.