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Old 10-25-2015, 01:05 PM
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Default Nitrogen for run flats?

Anyone switch over or are there issues with switching?

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Old 10-25-2015, 02:01 PM
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No issues other than a waste of time and money.
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Originally Posted by Walt White Coupe
No issues other than a waste of time and money.
This. Nothing more than a profit driver for tire shops.
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air is 78% nitrogen...
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Old 10-25-2015, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BrunoTheMellow
air is 78% nitrogen...
78.08% to be exact.

The question is does 100% nitrogen have any noticeable effect. It does make sense that it -could- as nitrogen molecules are larger than oxygen making it harder to leak out of tires. Plus, air tends to hold a higher temperature then pure nitrogen. This can help with tire wear by keeping the tires slightly cooler. Is it enough to actually make a difference? I dont know for sure.. But I'd like to think it could..
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I found a article in The Tire Rack that explained why use nitrogen.

Just Google "why use nitrogen to fill tires" and you will find a number of articles. Here is one:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...run-flats.html
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Old 10-28-2015, 10:19 AM
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The biggest advantage with Nitrogen is it is dry. Air out of an air compressor can have a significant amount of moisture in it depending on the humidity. Moisture can cause issues with tire pressure since it's characteristics are different than air. I had a track tire that was running 44 psi hot, I would pit in and a friend would check the pressure and bleed 5 psi out of the tire. I would run a few more laps and the pressure would be back above 40. After doing this three times we took the car to the garage and pulled the valve core out of the valve and let all the air out of the tire and refilled it. After that it behaved properly.

The moisture can also cause problems with tire pressure sensors.

You could get most of the advantages of Nitrogen just by using dry air.

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Helium works better, its lighter than air so reduces total weight of the car.
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Originally Posted by FYREANT
78.08% to be exact.

The question is does 100% nitrogen have any noticeable effect. It does make sense that it -could- as nitrogen molecules are larger than oxygen making it harder to leak out of tires. Plus, air tends to hold a higher temperature then pure nitrogen. This can help with tire wear by keeping the tires slightly cooler. Is it enough to actually make a difference? I dont know for sure.. But I'd like to think it could..
If "air" holds a higher temp than nitrogen it's only because of moisture in the "air." Boyle's law applies to Nitrogen just as it does to the mix of gasses we call "air."

Racers run nitrogen because it's dry, so the pressure rise with temperature can be predicted more accurately. The moisture content of POA (Plain old "air") varies with local conditions, and moisture content affects pressure rise.

To the OP: There's no problem with adding nitrogen, but understand that unless the shop evacuates the tires before refilling, your tires will still have about 50% "air" in them. Even if it does evacuate the tires, it can't drop them to zero pressure, so there will always be some "air" in there. If one can get bottled nitrogen for free, great, other than the hassle of having to go somewhere else to add gas when needed. On the street, however, there isn't any real advantage to make it worth paying for.

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Originally Posted by smurfkiller
Helium works better, its lighter than air so reduces total weight of the car.
But your tires may Hindenburg on you...
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If you switch to nitrogen you can't go back to air or the seals will leak.

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No issues , mine came from the dealer with nitrogen.
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Or green caps.
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Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1
But your tires may Hindenburg on you...
That was hydrogen gas... Helium is a noble gas and is relatively inert.
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Originally Posted by xp800
That was hydrogen gas... Helium is a noble gas and is relatively inert.
Touche!

For some reason I thought I read hydrogen--DOH! lol
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The nitrogen fill machines achieve only 98% nitrogen. They cannot fill 100% nitrogen.
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See, this is why its so hard to find shops with nitrogen anymore; people foofoo'ing it without any real understanding. Nitrogen doesn't expand and contract with heat as much as plain old atmosphere. I loaded some Duratracs with it before I hauled a car and trailer cross country from FL to LA. My tire temps in the truck and the trailer never varied more than 2 pounds from 100 degrees ambient down to 20f. If you've ever done any hauling, this is an amazing thing. When they put nitrogen in they inflate/deflate several times to get as much of the O2 out as possible. If your application is something that requires consistency or specific pressure, nitrogen is worth every penny.

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The placebo effect at work. Dry air contracts and expands at the same rate as nitrogen.
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Originally Posted by juanvaldez
The placebo effect at work. Dry air contracts and expands at the same rate as nitrogen.
More like the 'everybody gets a star education system' at work. Maybe you should stick with coffee Juan. Science clearly ain't your forte.

Google is your friend;

Will my tire pressure fluctuate while driving if I use nitrogen?

You will still see pressure changes with nitrogen while driving, but overall your tires will run cooler and at a more consistent pressure than if they were filled with air. Nitrogen does not contain the moisture and other contaminants found in compressed air, so nitrogen filled tires will fluctuate less in temperature and pressure than air filled tires under driving conditions, even at high speed and at high temps.

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Old 04-11-2016, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by StreetLegalH2R
More like the 'everybody gets a star education system' at work. Maybe you should stick with coffee Juan. Science clearly ain't your forte.

Google is your friend;
You both said the same thing. If you can get dry air the pressure rise will be very close to the same and about as predictable. It has been 50+ years since I did anything with Boyles Law so won't get into discussions of gas pressure/expansion/temperature but the major impact of using air is its moisture content which doesn't follow the same rules. If you fill your tires with air from your home shop compressor without a dryer on a high humidity day the tire pressure will vary more than if you do it on a low humidity day.

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