C7 Tech/Performance Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

C7 Centri vs C7Z

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-23-2015, 05:31 PM
  #1  
dovervold
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
dovervold's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2009
Location: Minnetrista Minnesota
Posts: 2,177
Received 232 Likes on 170 Posts

Default C7 Centri vs C7Z

OK, I want to do a build this winter and S/C my car. It's a 2014 Z51 M7. Friend has a stock 2015 Z06 M7 with the big areo package.

Here is my build plans: centri (not sure which one yet) at base 7 lbs boost, FSP breather/can, Dewitts radiator with Z 600 watt fan. Car already has ported TB and Corsa X-pipe. Goal is 550 at the wheel.

Also going to upgrade rear tires on stock rims, leaning towards Mich Pilot Sport Cup 2's non run-flats.

On a roll, how I am going to fare against the Z...
Old 11-23-2015, 05:34 PM
  #2  
Steven Popham
Racer
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Steven Popham's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2015
Location: San Antonio Texas
Posts: 346
Received 25 Likes on 21 Posts
St. Jude Donor '16
Default

He will pull you up to about 60 ish because of the roots blower. Yours will take a few seconds to spool up.
Old 11-23-2015, 05:45 PM
  #3  
dovervold
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
dovervold's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2009
Location: Minnetrista Minnesota
Posts: 2,177
Received 232 Likes on 170 Posts

Default

Hoping that a little weight advantage, cooler IAT's, and some fresh rubber give me an edge... Are the M7 Z's geared better than my Z51,
Old 11-23-2015, 05:49 PM
  #4  
Steven Popham
Racer
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Steven Popham's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2015
Location: San Antonio Texas
Posts: 346
Received 25 Likes on 21 Posts
St. Jude Donor '16
Default

They have a lower gear something like 3.30ish if I remember right. The roots style blower is going to leave a lot faster look here:

Old 11-23-2015, 05:57 PM
  #5  
kiley2418
Burning Brakes
 
kiley2418's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Location: burlington north carolina
Posts: 754
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by dovervold
OK, I want to do a build this winter and S/C my car. It's a 2014 Z51 M7. Friend has a stock 2015 Z06 M7 with the big areo package.

Here is my build plans: centri (not sure which one yet) at base 7 lbs boost, FSP breather/can, Dewitts radiator with Z 600 watt fan. Car already has ported TB and Corsa X-pipe. Goal is 550 at the wheel.

Also going to upgrade rear tires on stock rims, leaning towards Mich Pilot Sport Cup 2's non run-flats.

On a roll, how I am going to fare against the Z...
Put you money in long tubes and meth.. No need for a radiator a ton are running way over your goals without it.
Old 11-23-2015, 07:32 PM
  #6  
four0nefive
Melting Slicks
 
four0nefive's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2015
Location: Washington
Posts: 2,347
Received 381 Likes on 236 Posts
Default

You'll easily take him in a roll if he has the Z07 package (which I'm guessing is what you meant by "big aero kit").
Old 11-23-2015, 08:12 PM
  #7  
jdarc1
Racer
 
jdarc1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2015
Location: Florham Park NJ
Posts: 331
Received 38 Likes on 28 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by dovervold
OK, I want to do a build this winter and S/C my car. It's a 2014 Z51 M7. Friend has a stock 2015 Z06 M7 with the big areo package.

Here is my build plans: centri (not sure which one yet) at base 7 lbs boost, FSP breather/can, Dewitts radiator with Z 600 watt fan. Car already has ported TB and Corsa X-pipe. Goal is 550 at the wheel.

Also going to upgrade rear tires on stock rims, leaning towards Mich Pilot Sport Cup 2's non run-flats.

On a roll, how I am going to fare against the Z...
I have an ECS S/C with meth kit and sport cup 2 305/30 19 tires on the car with the ZO7 aero package on the car and from a roll or a dig I have handily spanked four stock ZO6's. Wasn't even close.
Old 11-23-2015, 08:16 PM
  #8  
jdarc1
Racer
 
jdarc1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2015
Location: Florham Park NJ
Posts: 331
Received 38 Likes on 28 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Steven Popham
They have a lower gear something like 3.30ish if I remember right. The roots style blower is going to leave a lot faster look here:

http://youtu.be/-cWGVymZoFk
This is a bad example, the Z is lighter (3500 lbs.) than the Stang (which comes in around 3900 lbs.) and has E85 and a tune. The OP is asking about a stock Z.

Last edited by jdarc1; 11-23-2015 at 08:21 PM.
Old 11-23-2015, 08:31 PM
  #9  
Steven Popham
Racer
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Steven Popham's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2015
Location: San Antonio Texas
Posts: 346
Received 25 Likes on 21 Posts
St. Jude Donor '16
Default

If you watch the video it says the mustang is 850 horses

Last edited by Steven Popham; 11-23-2015 at 08:31 PM.
Old 11-23-2015, 08:48 PM
  #10  
jdarc1
Racer
 
jdarc1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2015
Location: Florham Park NJ
Posts: 331
Received 38 Likes on 28 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Steven Popham
If you watch the video it says the mustang is 850 horses
I did watch the video and yes I saw the HP on the stang but I didn't see the HP on the Z with e85 and a tune. and 400 lbs. Is a huge amount to overcome from a dig. HUGE
Old 11-23-2015, 09:52 PM
  #11  
Andy@A&ACorvette
Platinum Supporting Vendor
 
Andy@A&ACorvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: VENTURA Ca
Posts: 5,659
Likes: 0
Received 202 Likes on 125 Posts

Default

Here is a bone stock C7 with our kit on it.


Obviously the Z06 makes more down low on the dyno but I don't see any lack of bottom end in this video sequence. There's more than enough to get the car moving and keep it right on the edge of tire spin and then it stays in the powerband all the way through.
Look at about 4 minutes in. That thing has as much torque as you could put down right out of the gate.
I have a '16 Z06 with a centri on it. It's a little different than a standard C7 because I'm spinning the blower harder but I can tell you that I have no lack of low end.
It's actually uncomfortably fast. Maybe when I get some 19" wheels and a set of NT05Rs.
__________________
PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT WWW.AACORVETTE.COM
NOW PARTNERING WITH AFFIRM TO OFFER INTEREST FREE FINANCING!

A&A CORVETTE
477 LAMBERT ST
OXNARD CA 93036
WWW.AACorvette.com

A&A CORVETTE SUPERCHARGER SYSTEMS
HOME OF THE WORLDS FIRST
CENTRIFUGALLY SUPERCHARGED C7


SUPERIOR ENGINEERING- SUPERIOR POWER
SUPERIOR PRICING- SUPERIOR CUSTOMER SUPPORT


Andy@AACorvette.com 805- 278 4107

Last edited by Andy@A&ACorvette; 11-23-2015 at 09:54 PM.
Old 11-23-2015, 11:25 PM
  #12  
blue_bomber697
Drifting
 
blue_bomber697's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Location: Fort McMurray Alberta
Posts: 1,746
Received 1,296 Likes on 479 Posts
2018 C7 of Year Finalist

Default

Originally Posted by Andy@A&ACorvette
Here is a bone stock C7 with our kit on it.
Obviously the Z06 makes more down low on the dyno but I don't see any lack of bottom end in this video sequence. There's more than enough to get the car moving and keep it right on the edge of tire spin and then it stays in the powerband all the way through.
Look at about 4 minutes in. That thing has as much torque as you could put down right out of the gate.
I have a '16 Z06 with a centri on it. It's a little different than a standard C7 because I'm spinning the blower harder but I can tell you that I have no lack of low end.
It's actually uncomfortably fast. Maybe when I get some 19" wheels and a set of NT05Rs.
Yikes... Don't know how hard it is driving the auto when supercharged... But those were not good runs. Needs smoother (and less) throttle application!

But yes, definitely no lack of torque down low for these things. S/C, Headers and good tires and you should be pulling on Z's all day long.
Old 11-23-2015, 11:28 PM
  #13  
officermartinez
Pro
 
officermartinez's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2014
Location: Fort Worth Texas
Posts: 687
Received 81 Likes on 66 Posts
Default

Kind of what a few others here have already echoed.. I had a 662-ish rwhp 2014 Stingray (with 10 #'s from an ECS supercharger, m1 single nozzle alky meth, 1 7/8" American Racing Headers with cross pipe). I got "picked on" by a few Z06's. One from a dig and the other while I was on the freeway. Both of the Z06's picked the wrong fight.. LOL. Your goals are VERY achievable.
Old 11-24-2015, 07:28 AM
  #14  
The Rock1
Racer
 
The Rock1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Jax FL
Posts: 441
Received 154 Likes on 64 Posts

Default

I have the ECS 3 mods on my A6 Auto (just like officermartinez) and easily walked a C7Z from a dig and a roll. The gap only got bigger and bigger the faster we went.
Old 11-24-2015, 08:51 AM
  #15  
Little Red Corvette1
Instructor
 
Little Red Corvette1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2014
Location: Tucson
Posts: 233
Received 23 Likes on 19 Posts
2016 C7 of the Year Finalist
Default On a roll, how I am going to fare against the Z..

On a roll, how I am going to fare against the Z..

My opinion..550hp may not fare well..
Aim for 600 to 650hp......

I just ran The Colorado Mile and I can tell you what I saw.....
Stock C7 A8's could run 162mph with a good tune and good driver
Stock Hellcats trap 172mph.

Results For C7 Supercharged - The Colorado Mile:
1. 2015 C7 Z06...............190.5mph........modifi ed?
2. 2014 C7 Auto/Meth......184.7mph........675 rwhp
3. 2014 C7 M7................179.7mph........642 rwhp
4. 2015 C7 Z06..............173.9mph.........650 rwhp
5. 2015 C7 Z06..............165.4mph

Last edited by Little Red Corvette1; 12-22-2015 at 04:57 PM.
Old 11-24-2015, 12:22 PM
  #16  
SquatchMachining
Pro
 
SquatchMachining's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2015
Posts: 580
Received 44 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

C7Z wont take a centri C7 from a dig either... The Z will just blow the tires off, the instant torque is useless. C7 with blower, headers, and drag radials will spank the Z. Meth and Pulley down and it will be a real beating...


The bottom line, all the power in the world does no good if you cant plant it. Step down to a 18" wheel with a real tire and you will not have issues.
Old 11-24-2015, 12:52 PM
  #17  
dovervold
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
dovervold's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2009
Location: Minnetrista Minnesota
Posts: 2,177
Received 232 Likes on 170 Posts

Default

Thanks for the input guys. His Z is not Z07, must be the Stage 2 with the big spoiler, no wickerbill...

I was hoping to go blower only at 7 lbs and 550 rwhp. But I might change my mind. Question: if you pully down for 8 or 10 psi, is meth required to keep it safe? Or can you go 93 octane with some Torco, and go up to 8 lbs boost with a good tune and no meth.

Also would like to keep stock wheels. I spend most of my time carving corners so I don't want to go with a wide side wall. Anyone tried the 295/30/20 Pilot Sport Cup 2's at 550-600 whp,

Get notified of new replies

To C7 Centri vs C7Z

Old 11-24-2015, 01:01 PM
  #18  
blue_bomber697
Drifting
 
blue_bomber697's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Location: Fort McMurray Alberta
Posts: 1,746
Received 1,296 Likes on 479 Posts
2018 C7 of Year Finalist

Default

Originally Posted by dovervold
Thanks for the input guys. His Z is not Z07, must be the Stage 2 with the big spoiler, no wickerbill...

I was hoping to go blower only at 7 lbs and 550 rwhp. But I might change my mind. Question: if you pully down for 8 or 10 psi, is meth required to keep it safe? Or can you go 93 octane with some Torco, and go up to 8 lbs boost with a good tune and no meth.

Also would like to keep stock wheels. I spend most of my time carving corners so I don't want to go with a wide side wall. Anyone tried the 295/30/20 Pilot Sport Cup 2's at 550-600 whp,
I hit 586/572 with just ECS kit and ARH headers. Haven't raced a Z yet, but I know I'm faster than a Hellcat. The 295 PSC2's should hook better than the MPSS stockers, but still don't count on getting traction in 1st or 2nd gear.
Old 11-24-2015, 01:49 PM
  #19  
0JDP Motorsports
Former Vendor
 
JDP Motorsports's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2011
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
Posts: 780
Received 13 Likes on 12 Posts
St. Jude Donor '12
Default

Originally Posted by dovervold
OK, I want to do a build this winter and S/C my car. It's a 2014 Z51 M7. Friend has a stock 2015 Z06 M7 with the big areo package.

Here is my build plans: centri (not sure which one yet) at base 7 lbs boost, FSP breather/can, Dewitts radiator with Z 600 watt fan. Car already has ported TB and Corsa X-pipe. Goal is 550 at the wheel.

Also going to upgrade rear tires on stock rims, leaning towards Mich Pilot Sport Cup 2's non run-flats.

On a roll, how I am going to fare against the Z...
It's not going to be hard to beat a stock C7 Z06 and we have a proven combination that will make 600-700 WHP depnding on boost. Here is what I suggest:

ECS Supercharger System
American Racing Headers
Alky Control Methanol System
FSP Catch-Can Breather System

That is a proven package that works and it will maintain perfect drivability but it will be nasty when you need it.

The fact is when you launch you're already at 3000 RPM and getting into boost. You're not going to have a disadvantage out of the hole as you'll actually have a chance to get moving before the power really comes in.

I think Driver Mod is also going to play a large role in that race as well so go play and have fun!

Please feel free to call, email or PM us anytime with questions. Good luck with your build and have a great day.

Kind regards,

Jordan Priestley
888.308.6007

Last edited by JDP Motorsports; 11-24-2015 at 01:56 PM.
Old 11-24-2015, 02:41 PM
  #20  
CDH76
Safety Car
 
CDH76's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2003
Location: DFW Texas
Posts: 3,837
Received 85 Likes on 65 Posts

Default

Are you wanting to stay away from methanol? If not go with that and the ecs kit with no restrictor plate so you're 10+ lbs.

That is what I did. Ended up with 686 at the wheels. No question whos winning that battle


Quick Reply: C7 Centri vs C7Z



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:59 AM.