C7 Z06 front brakes for $1,150 + pads!
#81
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How much extra weight if you had to guess? I see the z06 stuff weights in your pics, any chance you have the stock stuff weights as well? I'm gonna try to offset some of the weight with lighter wheels. The rotors, pads, bolts have already arrived even though it said not in stock from amazon.
BTW, thanks a ton for the info in this thread. It's great to have such a good corvette fanbase.
BTW, thanks a ton for the info in this thread. It's great to have such a good corvette fanbase.
Last edited by superramvette2; 08-14-2016 at 06:37 PM.
#82
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How much extra weight if you had to guess? I see the z06 stuff weights in your pics, any chance you have the stock stuff weights as well? I'm gonna try to offset some of the weight with lighter wheels. The rotors, pads, bolts have already arrived even though it said not in stock from amazon.
BTW, thanks a ton for the info in this thread. It's great to have such a good corvette fanbase.
BTW, thanks a ton for the info in this thread. It's great to have such a good corvette fanbase.
From my build thread:
Brakes
- Z06 rotors: front 23.8 lbs, rear 24.8 lbs.
- Z51 rotors: front 20.2 lbs, rear 18.1 lbs.
- Z06 front calipers: 9.3 lbs empty; 14.1 lbs loaded.
- Z51 front calipers: 13 lbs loaded.
- DBA 5000 T3 front rings (only): 23.4 lbs.
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ya3coub (05-13-2017)
#83
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As stated above, the parts ship a lot faster than they say. My rotors are all here, pads, caliper bolts, and the actual calipers have tracking numbers. So in short, the estimates by Amazon are still very conservative as the items ship in a week or two.
#84
Le Mans Master
Man thats a lot of unsprung and unsprung rotational weight. I'd probably be all over it if Z51 brakes weren't so good to begin with.
Someone should make a kit for C6 guys to use the C7Z06 brakes.
Someone should make a kit for C6 guys to use the C7Z06 brakes.
Last edited by village idiot; 08-28-2016 at 05:13 PM.
#85
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So if someone were looking at moving from Z07 CCB to the standard Z06 iron brakes for cost savings over the long term, and please bare with my questions, I'm female and have limited knowledge of this stuff, lol:
1. Will I need to purchase both rings and hats to complete the swap or are the Z07 hats the same size as the standard Z06 hats so that I can just switch out the rings and change calipers?
2. Are there going to be calibration issues in the EBCM if I change out the CCB for the iron brake calipers/rotors other than what is typically encountered with changes in tires and brake pads when tracking the car?
1. Will I need to purchase both rings and hats to complete the swap or are the Z07 hats the same size as the standard Z06 hats so that I can just switch out the rings and change calipers?
2. Are there going to be calibration issues in the EBCM if I change out the CCB for the iron brake calipers/rotors other than what is typically encountered with changes in tires and brake pads when tracking the car?
#86
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So if someone were looking at moving from Z07 CCB to the standard Z06 iron brakes for cost savings over the long term, and please bare with my questions, I'm female and have limited knowledge of this stuff, lol:
1. Will I need to purchase both rings and hats to complete the swap or are the Z07 hats the same size as the standard Z06 hats so that I can just switch out the rings and change calipers?
2. Are there going to be calibration issues in the EBCM if I change out the CCB for the iron brake calipers/rotors other than what is typically encountered with changes in tires and brake pads when tracking the car?
1. Will I need to purchase both rings and hats to complete the swap or are the Z07 hats the same size as the standard Z06 hats so that I can just switch out the rings and change calipers?
2. Are there going to be calibration issues in the EBCM if I change out the CCB for the iron brake calipers/rotors other than what is typically encountered with changes in tires and brake pads when tracking the car?
In your case, you can merely replace the whole rotors with narrower-annulus replacement rotors:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...zo7-ccm-s.html
These are a bit narrower annulus to save you from unnecessary dead weight as much as possible, and they would work with whatever pad you'd like.
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IF you'd still like to convert to C7 Z06 OEM iron brakes, you'd pretty much need to buy everything I've listed (including lines for front). On the upside, you could probably sell your brakes for $5-6K, and the new ones would cost $2K both front and rear.
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In your case, especially considering how easy it is to do so, I'd just get those iron replacement rotors I referenced above. It would also be very easy to install; 5-10 minutes per corner once the wheels are out.
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
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NT4HIM (09-02-2016)
#87
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Front rotors:
Z51: 345x30 mm (13.6x1.18") 20.2 lbs.
Z06: 371x33 mm (14.6x1.3") 23.8 lbs.
(Z06 front caliper is about 1lbs heavier loaded; 14 lbs vs. 13 lbs)
Rear rotors:
Z51 rear rotors: 338x23 mm (13.3x0.90") 18.1 lbs.
Z06 rear rotors: 365x25 mm (14.4x1.0") OEM 24.8 lbs, Girodisc 16.7 lbs(!!!).
Z51: 345x30 mm (13.6x1.18") 20.2 lbs.
Z06: 371x33 mm (14.6x1.3") 23.8 lbs.
(Z06 front caliper is about 1lbs heavier loaded; 14 lbs vs. 13 lbs)
Rear rotors:
Z51 rear rotors: 338x23 mm (13.3x0.90") 18.1 lbs.
Z06 rear rotors: 365x25 mm (14.4x1.0") OEM 24.8 lbs, Girodisc 16.7 lbs(!!!).
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Girodisc C7 Z06 rear rotors look beautiful. As you can see, the provision for the hand brake is aluminum. This means no national drift championship for me; oh well.
... and they are incredibly light at 16.7 lbs! FYI, stock Z51 rotors are at 18.1 lbs, and stock Z06 rotors are at 24.8 lbs!!!!!! These might actually even be lighter than the CCM Z07 rear brakes since they probably also have a steel hat; will check on that).
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Girodisc C7 Z06 rear rotors look beautiful. As you can see, the provision for the hand brake is aluminum. This means no national drift championship for me; oh well.
... and they are incredibly light at 16.7 lbs! FYI, stock Z51 rotors are at 18.1 lbs, and stock Z06 rotors are at 24.8 lbs!!!!!! These might actually even be lighter than the CCM Z07 rear brakes since they probably also have a steel hat; will check on that).
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Last edited by X25; 09-17-2016 at 05:38 AM.
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#90
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man, prices have gone up considerably!
#91
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Please make sure you're looking at Amazon-supplied pricing.
For example, caliper:
https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-172-2.../dp/B010GOFS4C
It says "$464.98 & FREE Shipping". However, look on the right, you'll see it says "$339.19 Sold by: Amazon.com".
This happens when the part is not in stock. It said it would take 1-2 months to ship, but I had the parts in less than 2 weeks. A few other forum members also had the same experience.
For example, caliper:
https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-172-2.../dp/B010GOFS4C
It says "$464.98 & FREE Shipping". However, look on the right, you'll see it says "$339.19 Sold by: Amazon.com".
This happens when the part is not in stock. It said it would take 1-2 months to ship, but I had the parts in less than 2 weeks. A few other forum members also had the same experience.
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village idiot (09-23-2016)
#92
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I thought the same thing initially about the prices. Did you verify you were looking at Amazon as the supplier? It takes a second to figure out the difference on prime (it did for me at least). Once I did I found the prices slightly higher but not by much.
Parts took a couple weeks max. Had most of them in a week. This was about a month ago.
Parts took a couple weeks max. Had most of them in a week. This was about a month ago.
Last edited by superramvette2; 09-22-2016 at 05:26 PM.
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village idiot (09-23-2016)
#93
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I thought the same thing initially about the prices. Did you verify you were looking at Amazon as the supplier? It takes a second to figure out the difference on prime (it did for me at least). Once I did I found the prices slightly higher but not by much.
Parts took a couple weeks max. Had most of them in a week. This was about a month ago.
Parts took a couple weeks max. Had most of them in a week. This was about a month ago.
#94
Burning Brakes
X, did you have any issues with bleeding and the ABS actuator? I hear mixed reviews. I have stainless lines I want to install, but hear you have no pedal when done and have to take the car to the dealer for an ABS bleed?
Last edited by AKKutz; 09-22-2016 at 05:39 PM.
#95
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In short, make sure you have completely full reservoir when you're changing calipers,and don't leave the lines open overnight, where they might bleed too much, letting air in from the reservoir. Other than that, there's no issue whatsoever.
#97
Burning Brakes
So, you guys are changing out components while fluid is flowing? New to me and a bit messy. In the bike world we drain systems completely to change components. Interestingly, with the bosch abs on my Panigales, you don't run into any issues with air in them..... wonder why the car is so different?
#98
Le Mans Master
what are thoughts on upgrading only the front? Will it mess up the bias and such?
Also, thoughts on doing this at all for a car that will likely never see anything more than R-compound tires, if that.
lastly, anyone find the rear in red?
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what is J56 (from the OP: Hoses (for J56))
Also, thoughts on doing this at all for a car that will likely never see anything more than R-compound tires, if that.
lastly, anyone find the rear in red?
edit:
what is J56 (from the OP: Hoses (for J56))
Last edited by village idiot; 09-23-2016 at 03:40 PM.
#99
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what are thoughts on upgrading only the front? Will it mess up the bias and such?
Also, thoughts on doing this at all for a car that will likely never see anything more than R-compound tires, if that.
lastly, anyone find the rear in red?
edit:
what is J56 (from the OP: Hoses (for J56))
Also, thoughts on doing this at all for a car that will likely never see anything more than R-compound tires, if that.
lastly, anyone find the rear in red?
edit:
what is J56 (from the OP: Hoses (for J56))
The rear calipers actually look identical with piston sizes, etc., besides the offset, and the pads are also identical. Looks like the difference is limited to the heat capacity. We could probably just change fronts and would be OK, since ee don't have 650 HP : )
I don't think you'll need Z06 brakes if you'll not use your car at the track. If you'll go to track, though I'd highly recommend it to have consistent brakes. The stock brakes could be overwhelmed at the track, especially on R compound tires, based on others' experience.
Last edited by X25; 09-23-2016 at 09:55 PM.
#100
Le Mans Master
Yup, I'll be going on the track! I should have clarified- r compounds on the track.
I'm going to go next weekend and see what happens. If they're overwhelmed, I'll probably upgrade. Thanks for the help.
I'm going to go next weekend and see what happens. If they're overwhelmed, I'll probably upgrade. Thanks for the help.