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Old 06-06-2016, 12:30 AM
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I am looking into upgrading to a stroker kit but I am not familiar with the best options available on the market. I have done a cursory review and noticed Katech is developing a 427 stroker, Ben@Weapon X has one available, and Texas Speed and Performance sells a 416 stroker.

That said, is there anybody here who upgraded to a stroker from any given company and can you tell me how it is working out for you? I'm looking for a reasonable price point and good performance.

Thanks for your input!

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Once you go past 416 you need to have sleeves installed. Which raises the cost. But more displacement is better for making power, it just costs more.
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Once you go past 416 you need to have sleeves installed. Which raises the cost. But more displacement is better for making power, it just costs more.
Thanks for your input! Were you a member of gencoupe.com at one point?
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Originally Posted by Suns_PSD
Once you go past 416 you need to have sleeves installed. Which raises the cost. But more displacement is better for making power, it just costs more.
I believe the 427 LS3 strokers have a 4.1" stroke crank as opposed to 4.00"


http://www.texas-speed.com/p-3586-ts...y-package.aspx

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If me I have had a 408 ls2 motor then went with a RHS 427 build. both with a YSI are a F1X blower on it.

If I was going with a blower set up I would stay with a stock block ci motor. That said to get a little more power on a N/A motor look at tx speed 416 set up with a good set of heads on it. Robert
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Originally Posted by B Stead
Here are some numbers for comparison:

L88 and original ZL1, 4.25" bore x 3.76" stroke, big block engine

LS7 engine, 4.125" bore x 4.00" stroke, staggered bores

Gen5 LT1 engine, 4.065" bore x 3.622" stroke


Wow, the Gen5 LT1 is a fairly short stroke engine. Then why is it a high torque engine ? A high torque cam ?

To make it a high RPM engine just build it and cam it without increasing stroke
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After doing some more research, I'm thinking a 416 is probably the best bet for me. I'm guessing TSP is the only vendor offering a 416 kit, correct? Thanks, y'all!
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After doing some more research, I'm thinking a 416 is probably the best bet for me. I'm guessing TSP is the only vendor offering a 416 kit, correct? Thanks, y'all!
Negative ghost rider....many companies make 416's. That was just an easy example to show from a forum sponser
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Negative ghost rider....many companies make 416's. That was just an easy example to show from a forum sponser
That's cool. I figured there would be more but I'd rather go through a forum vendor. I might as well go ahead and look at the rest of the package deal (heads, cam, etc) and get this C7 some extra grunt!

If any forum vendor wants to chime in, feel free to do so!
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Originally Posted by NemesisC5
I believe the 427 LS3 strokers have a 4.1" stroke crank as opposed to 4.00"


http://www.texas-speed.com/p-3586-ts...y-package.aspx
That's correct. The longer stroke makes the skirt of the piston protrude too far below the cylinder. It rocks the pistons, and causes premature wear, or worse. The fix is sleeves.

Ninjaman, yes I was a contributor on GenCoupe when I owned one. But I wanted (a lot) more power so I ended up with a C6. You?
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Originally Posted by Suns_PSD
That's correct. The longer stroke makes the skirt of the piston protrude too far below the cylinder. It rocks the pistons, and causes premature wear, or worse. The fix is sleeves.

Ninjaman, yes I was a contributor on GenCoupe when I owned one. But I wanted (a lot) more power so I ended up with a C6. You?
Ditto about the power. I am the guy who really dug into one of the first LS swaps with a Genesis Coupe several years ago and used it as a daily driver.
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Originally Posted by Suns_PSD
That's correct. The longer stroke makes the skirt of the piston protrude too far below the cylinder. It rocks the pistons, and causes premature wear, or worse. The fix is sleeves.

Ninjaman, yes I was a contributor on GenCoupe when I owned one. But I wanted (a lot) more power so I ended up with a C6. You?
I thought the sleeves provided more bore but are still the same length. Or are the sleeves longer than the cylinders?
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Originally Posted by NinjamanZ51
That's cool. I figured there would be more but I'd rather go through a forum vendor. I might as well go ahead and look at the rest of the package deal (heads, cam, etc) and get this C7 some extra grunt!

If any forum vendor wants to chime in, feel free to do so!
I live in the Phoenix area and will go with Cordes Performance Racing (CPR), when the time comes. CPR has an excellent reputation with the Vette guys here. CPR has built several C7 416's. I don't know if they done any sleeved 427's or would even recommend that build over a 416.
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Originally Posted by marcouvo
I thought the sleeves provided more bore but are still the same length. Or are the sleeves longer than the cylinders?
There are sleeves that can lengthen the "cyclinder." The video below has a section where this is discussed.

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ERL makes sleeved blocks out to 4.185. We need some after market LT1 heads for a big cube NA motor. RHS may have some soon.
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I have a Texas Speed 416 ci LT1 with around 15000 miles on it and it hasn't given me any problems.
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Originally Posted by robertf97
I have a Texas Speed 416 ci LT1 with around 15000 miles on it and it hasn't given me any problems.
Do you have any dyno numbers? What's your mod list? And I'm from Huntsville.

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Originally Posted by NinjamanZ51
Do you have any dyno numbers? What's your mod list? And I'm from Huntsville.
It made 668 rwhp on 8 psi boost on a very safe tune. It has a TSP stage 1 cam, ported heads, methanol injection, headers, it only has 9.5 to one compression though I would get 10.5 if doing it again. The blower is off of it now waiting to be rebuilt. Holler if you want to see it.
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Originally Posted by robertf97
It made 668 rwhp on 8 psi boost on a very safe tune. It has a TSP stage 1 cam, ported heads, methanol injection, headers, it only has 9.5 to one compression though I would get 10.5 if doing it again. The blower is off of it now waiting to be rebuilt. Holler if you want to see it.
Wow! Impressive dyno, man. I'm thinking if you went 10:1 you might get a good amount of power. Excellent mod list too. Will definitely give you a shout when I am back in town, man!

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wat do u guys use for main and rod bearings for 416 lt1's wld the old style work? Or shld i use lt4 ones and lt4 head gasket this is for a 416 truck twin turbo truck <br >

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