High-Po C7 vs Nismo GTR
11-25-2013, 06:45 PM
#1
Drifting
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High-Po C7 vs Nismo GTR
Now that Nissan said their 2015 Nismo GTR will have 595 horsepower and got a ring time of 7:08-something with the optional track-pack, do you think this will have any implications for the hi-po C7? I think an auto in the high-po version is definitely needed to compete, and I guess awd is still a non-starter?
11-25-2013, 06:56 PM
#2
Not IMO..I really don't care what the GTR or any other brand car has or don't have..personally I want a car that I can drive and not the other way round nothing against the GTR and to the people that like them but I want Hi Perf C7 ZR1 and I want to manually shift it.
11-25-2013, 07:11 PM
#3
Ring time has been questioned the Nismo GTR that ran 7.08 was not a production spec'd Nismo version...Nissan folks lied and got caught
11-25-2013, 07:12 PM
#4
Drifting
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Regardless though I wonder if the upcoming GTR being 595 hp will have any affect on the ZR1 horsepower will be. When both models came out the GTR was 485 hp and ZR1 638, by next year the GTR will have gone up 110 hp....
11-25-2013, 07:21 PM
#5
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/25/n...bugring-video/
I'm a GTR fan..but the dealers were only giving 1k off MSRP when I was interested not so much any more...enjoy the read
I'm a GTR fan..but the dealers were only giving 1k off MSRP when I was interested not so much any more...enjoy the read
11-25-2013, 07:21 PM
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11-25-2013, 07:24 PM
#7
Saw the same thing on motortrend.com . Also being a former GTR I can tell you the new hipo corvette will blow it away. Maybe no it drag racing but for sure on the road course.
11-25-2013, 09:20 PM
#8
Sadly, I know the day is coming when the high performance vette will not be available in a traditional manual. If I had to bet, I believe we will get a C7Z available with a traditional manual and the C7 Zr1 (later in the C7 lifecycle) available with a DCT only (similar to what Porsche did with the GT3). I think they will do this to further justify the price premium we will see on the C7 Zr1 My guess is that the C7 will be our last opportunity to buy a high performance vette (ZO6/7) with a traditional manual.
11-25-2013, 09:20 PM
#9
Drifting
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11-25-2013, 09:26 PM
#11
Drifting
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Sadly, I know the day is coming when the high performance vette will not be available in a traditional manual. If I had to bet, I believe we will get a C7Z available with a traditional manual and the C7 Zr1 (later in the C7 lifecycle) available with a DCT only (similar to what Porsche did with the GT3). I think they will do this to further justify the price premium we will see on the C7 Zr1 My guess is that the C7 will be our last opportunity to buy a high performance vette (ZO6/7) with a traditional manual.
Re: the choice of offering a manual versus having auto only, choice is good and all, but then you have drivers who aren't able to launch or shift well who get high 12's for example or worse on a drag strip in a Stingray followed by a bunch of comments obout how their mustang or srt8 does better....plus who knows how often a mediocre driver loses in a street race with a manual C7 versus an auto something else, and the other driver would think and tell his friends, "I beat a Corvette, they aren't that fast," so for overall perception of the Corvette it would greatly help to eventually get rid of the manual.
I have never driven a manual anything except for when my friend tried teaching me manual on his 5th gen Camaro SS, and I don't intend to drive one either.
Maybe its one of those older versus younger crowd differences.
11-25-2013, 09:45 PM
#12
Safety Car
Could care less if the newest GTR did 0-60 in 1.0 seconds, the quarter in 7.9@160, ran the 'Ring in 6 minutes, 30 second and sold for $99K, for I will not own a plug ugly GTR.
11-25-2013, 09:55 PM
#13
Sadly, I know the day is coming when the high performance vette will not be available in a traditional manual. If I had to bet, I believe we will get a C7Z available with a traditional manual and the C7 Zr1 (later in the C7 lifecycle) available with a DCT only (similar to what Porsche did with the GT3). I think they will do this to further justify the price premium we will see on the C7 Zr1 My guess is that the C7 will be our last opportunity to buy a high performance vette (ZO6/7) with a traditional manual.
I agree and yes it is sad and that's when I hold on to my Hi Perf C7 manual and the last Vette I'll ever buy...
11-25-2013, 10:02 PM
#14
Drifting
11-25-2013, 10:09 PM
#15
The Nismo should have a huge asterisk next to its listing, until it's determined how or if those parts make it onto customer cars.
That sounds incredibly insecure. Are most Corvette owners really that insecure?
Re: the choice of offering a manual versus having auto only, choice is good and all, but then you have drivers who aren't able to launch or shift well who get high 12's for example or worse on a drag strip in a Stingray followed by a bunch of comments obout how their mustang or srt8 does better....plus who knows how often a mediocre driver loses in a street race with a manual C7 versus an auto something else, and the other driver would think and tell his friends, "I beat a Corvette, they aren't that fast," so for overall perception of the Corvette it would greatly help to eventually get rid of the manual.
11-25-2013, 10:19 PM
#16
I would welcome any news of hi-po Vette(s) having an auto, as that means that I will likely get a hi-po version down the road. If it continues to only be offered in manual I won't buy it.
Re: the choice of offering a manual versus having auto only, choice is good and all, but then you have drivers who aren't able to launch or shift well who get high 12's for example or worse on a drag strip in a Stingray followed by a bunch of comments obout how their mustang or srt8 does better....plus who knows how often a mediocre driver loses in a street race with a manual C7 versus an auto something else, and the other driver would think and tell his friends, "I beat a Corvette, they aren't that fast," so for overall perception of the Corvette it would greatly help to eventually get rid of the manual.
I have never driven a manual anything except for when my friend tried teaching me manual on his 5th gen Camaro SS, and I don't intend to drive one either.
Maybe its one of those older versus younger crowd differences.
Re: the choice of offering a manual versus having auto only, choice is good and all, but then you have drivers who aren't able to launch or shift well who get high 12's for example or worse on a drag strip in a Stingray followed by a bunch of comments obout how their mustang or srt8 does better....plus who knows how often a mediocre driver loses in a street race with a manual C7 versus an auto something else, and the other driver would think and tell his friends, "I beat a Corvette, they aren't that fast," so for overall perception of the Corvette it would greatly help to eventually get rid of the manual.
I have never driven a manual anything except for when my friend tried teaching me manual on his 5th gen Camaro SS, and I don't intend to drive one either.
Maybe its one of those older versus younger crowd differences.
I am 33 years old. I really could care less about the drag strip. I understand that some do however. To me, a sports car should be so much more. Yes, the DCT will make the ZR1 faster, but we are talking tenths of seconds, maybe 2 or 3 around the track (at what point do we visit the law of diminishing marginal returns in sports cars? I think we are there...). The satisfaction gained by manually sifting through a proper traditional gearbox of a sports car far outweighs the bragging rights I can achieve by going 2 seconds quicker around a track. Having said this, as a corvette fan, I would like to see a DCT C7 ZR1 produced to completely destroy the competition worse than it already does... I just could not buy one...Give me a manual C7 ZO6 instead.
Last edited by Paulchristian; 11-25-2013 at 10:26 PM.
11-25-2013, 10:22 PM
#17
Drifting
I would welcome any news of hi-po Vette(s) having an auto, as that means that I will likely get a hi-po version down the road. If it continues to only be offered in manual I won't buy it.
Re: the choice of offering a manual versus having auto only, choice is good and all, but then you have drivers who aren't able to launch or shift well who get high 12's for example or worse on a drag strip in a Stingray followed by a bunch of comments obout how their mustang or srt8 does better....plus who knows how often a mediocre driver loses in a street race with a manual C7 versus an auto something else, and the other driver would think and tell his friends, "I beat a Corvette, they aren't that fast," so for overall perception of the Corvette it would greatly help to eventually get rid of the manual.
I have never driven a manual anything except for when my friend tried teaching me manual on his 5th gen Camaro SS, and I don't intend to drive one either.
Maybe its one of those older versus younger crowd differences.
Re: the choice of offering a manual versus having auto only, choice is good and all, but then you have drivers who aren't able to launch or shift well who get high 12's for example or worse on a drag strip in a Stingray followed by a bunch of comments obout how their mustang or srt8 does better....plus who knows how often a mediocre driver loses in a street race with a manual C7 versus an auto something else, and the other driver would think and tell his friends, "I beat a Corvette, they aren't that fast," so for overall perception of the Corvette it would greatly help to eventually get rid of the manual.
I have never driven a manual anything except for when my friend tried teaching me manual on his 5th gen Camaro SS, and I don't intend to drive one either.
Maybe its one of those older versus younger crowd differences.
11-25-2013, 10:24 PM
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The Gtr Is A very Capable And Fast Car....I Would Buy One If They Would Just Make It Look Better....My C7 Might NOt Be faster , But It Looks Much Better...I Parked Next To One, And The Gtr Is Massive Compared To The C7....
11-25-2013, 10:30 PM
#19
Team Owner
the only way a hipo auto Corvette can compete is with a DCT, the automatics that GM has now is akin to me putting an auto tranny in 1 and pushing it up to 2 and 3 and 4 etc........that being said unless GM sources out a DCT from a good manufacturer and even if they did I wouldn't a first gen DCT, it would be at least 4 years before they, whoever, got it correct for the Corvette.
11-25-2013, 11:27 PM
#20
Seriously though, most tests by accomplished drivers find the Nissan a bit sanitary.