No New ZR1?
#1
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No New ZR1?
According to Autoblog, Tadge says not to expect a new ZR1 as a halo for the C7.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/14/c...not-happening/
Seems a little early in the C7 life cycle to not have anything planned above or after the Z06. Maybe they won't call it the ZR1?
Thoughts.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/14/c...not-happening/
Seems a little early in the C7 life cycle to not have anything planned above or after the Z06. Maybe they won't call it the ZR1?
Thoughts.
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According to Autoblog, Tadge says not to expect a new ZR1 as a halo for the C7.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/14/c...not-happening/
Seems a little early in the C7 life cycle to not have anything planned above or after the Z06. Maybe they won't call it the ZR1?
Thoughts.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/14/c...not-happening/
Seems a little early in the C7 life cycle to not have anything planned above or after the Z06. Maybe they won't call it the ZR1?
Thoughts.
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I'm not entirely sure there won't be another ZR1 but they aren't likely to tip their hand after just introducing the new Z06. Sales figures for the C6 ZR1 were so low they may not do another from a business standpoint. They have also made statements to the effect that there is plenty of room for increasing the horsepower of the C7 Z06. I would certainly like to see the Z06 as the top dog.
#4
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ZR1 type cars are not meant to be sold at high numbers. If GM wanted to do it right, they would produce a halo vette a market demand -1, very much like Porsche does it with 911's and more specifically GT3's.
GM will make the money on the base/z51/Z06.
GM will make the money on the base/z51/Z06.
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Honestly, I don't see there being a zr1 for this generation.
#8
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I think the C6 ZR1 served for a bench test for the C7 Z06! Because the C7 was delayed because of the GM financial issues. Most of the Hi-tech stuff on the ZR1 is now on the Z06/Z07 package. Obviously there is more on the z06 but you get my point, so i dont think we will see C7 ZR1. Unless the plan to go AWD i dont see the point of getting 700hp and more, it will be useless for them, i guess time will tell...
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They have not released final hp an tq specs for the current c7 z06. They may come in at least as high as last zr1,the torque spec is already higher. And since the z06 has pretty much all the same goodies as options that the zr1 got no need for a zr1 anymore. Aftermarket will easily get the z06 up another 50 to 100 hp with pretty simple mods, pulley and tune will likely do it or aftermarket larger blower.
Think gm should keep it simple just have base car and z06 and of course have z06 in convertible form as well.
No need for this Grand sport type stuff either. They could at some point offer a stripper z28 type of thing for the z06 and they could offer maybe bit more hp factory as the model run goes on. Not really a whole lot of stuff to improve in the car really. Its got good seat options, all the aero options. Carbon Ceramic brake option. Nice interiors with all the great electronic toys. Aside from making car lighter or upping power more what else can they do to it.
But sure see another big leap forward with the c8.
Think gm should keep it simple just have base car and z06 and of course have z06 in convertible form as well.
No need for this Grand sport type stuff either. They could at some point offer a stripper z28 type of thing for the z06 and they could offer maybe bit more hp factory as the model run goes on. Not really a whole lot of stuff to improve in the car really. Its got good seat options, all the aero options. Carbon Ceramic brake option. Nice interiors with all the great electronic toys. Aside from making car lighter or upping power more what else can they do to it.
But sure see another big leap forward with the c8.
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My bet is that the ZR1 will appear as a 2016 model. A friend who is deep in the Chevy heirarchy just bought a C7 Z51 and I asked him why he didn't wait and get a Z06, since he knew long ago that the Z06 was on its way. His answer: "I'm waiting for the 2016 twin-turbo ZR1." He currently owns a C6 ZR1 and always buys the top Vette model. Since the C5 appeared he has never been wrong in predicting what is coming next down the Vette pipeline, so I would bet on a 2016 ZR1. Of course, Chevy would be foolish to announce a new ZR1 on the heels of the Z06 just coming out, and Chevy has shown that they are anything but fools with the new C7.
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I think the C6 ZR1 served for a bench test for the C7 Z06! Because the C7 was delayed because of the GM financial issues. Most of the Hi-tech stuff on the ZR1 is now on the Z06/Z07 package. Obviously there is more on the z06 but you get my point, so i dont think we will see C7 ZR1. Unless the plan to go AWD i dont see the point of getting 700hp and more, it will be useless for them, i guess time will tell...
#12
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I think the Z07 version of the Z06 could be the ZR1 replacement for the C7 series. It may mean they will offer a different pulley w/programming upgrades, ect. to push the Z07 over the ZR1. Remember this is a car still in finalization and can still be tweaked before it starts selling early next year. It certainly would be more economical to GM not to produce a ZR1 since the C7 Z06/Z07 is already at a world class level imho.
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yes there will be, GM is playing it beautifully making you think for so many reasons (hp close to ZR1 is one) that there won't be. Just watch and remember this thread. Soooo much hype, they will sell all the Z06's they make and dealers will mark up the new model/ first year. " you have to have it, you will pay" and pay dearly you will.
#14
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Can they make enough gross profit selling the ZR 1?
No.
Market is not there for it.
Barely for the C6.
Those of you that bought the ZR1 can be happy that you have a real collectable as this Z06 is the end of the line for higher preforming Vettes.
Market is not there for it.
Barely for the C6.
Those of you that bought the ZR1 can be happy that you have a real collectable as this Z06 is the end of the line for higher preforming Vettes.
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I'm not entirely sure there won't be another ZR1 but they aren't likely to tip their hand after just introducing the new Z06. Sales figures for the C6 ZR1 were so low they may not do another from a business standpoint. They have also made statements to the effect that there is plenty of room for increasing the horsepower of the C7 Z06. I would certainly like to see the Z06 as the top dog.
If they make a ZR1, it will almost certainly be on a unique platform, shared with Cadillac because it will need to be special. GM could certainly add more power to the Z06 and call it a ZR1 but that's just more of "been there, done that." The Z06's limits will be so high that there's really no point in doing that again. It would e increasingly difficult to charge a premium for a car that looks the same with nothing truly special to offer above the Z06 except more power.
Doing a 800 hp - 1000 hp combustion engine supercar is nothing special these days; anyone can do that. If anything, it would have to be a hybrid supercar, with new technologies, design and capabilities to push the Corvette brand forward. The ZR1 will have to be more than a supercar, it will have be a hypercar, ala P1, LaFerrari, 918.
Its going to take a considerable investment if it happens. Much of it will hinge on the Z06's success and it won't be cheap.
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There will be. No doubt. Maybe not named a zr1. But tadge said they like to improve and move forward using the old top dog as the not top dog the next generation. They didn't improve the HP any. They won't go down in power. They're be a top dog. If not they will just put a 2.3L blower on the lt4 in a couple years and make 660+hp
#17
Article is also bad news for anyone hoping for a 70K base price...
"Juechter tells Autoblog that if you were able to afford a C6 ZR1, you can afford a new Z06"
I just don't get why they didn't call it a ZR1? Forced induction, apparently the top model... just think it would have been more consistent to keep the Z06 moniker for NA cars and the ZR1 for the FI... I know the C4 wasn't FI, but that seems to be what they established more recently.
"Juechter tells Autoblog that if you were able to afford a C6 ZR1, you can afford a new Z06"
I just don't get why they didn't call it a ZR1? Forced induction, apparently the top model... just think it would have been more consistent to keep the Z06 moniker for NA cars and the ZR1 for the FI... I know the C4 wasn't FI, but that seems to be what they established more recently.
#18
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I still think Z06 will be in high 70's with options bringing it into the 90's (fits with everything that has been said)
#19
Race Director
I agree with all sentiments that the fate of a C7 ZR1 or similar will largely depend upon the sales and production success of C7 and C7 Z06. It is far too early to write off the prospects of a model above the C7 Z06.