GM Says No Corvette ZR1 on the Radar: Is the C7 Z06 Too Good?
01-14-2014, 09:38 PM
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His track record is very good around here.
01-14-2014, 09:41 PM
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If GM announced the ZR1 was coming out next year, would anyone buy a C7 Z06 this year? 2-3 years from now GM can come out with a ZR1 and announce that it was created due to customer demand, lol
The LSA motor was always a baby LS9. The LT4 looks like an updated LSA, versus an LS9 replacement.
The LSA motor was always a baby LS9. The LT4 looks like an updated LSA, versus an LS9 replacement.
01-14-2014, 09:57 PM
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If GM announced the ZR1 was coming out next year, would anyone buy a C7 Z06 this year? 2-3 years from now GM can come out with a ZR1 and announce that it was created due to customer demand, lol
The LSA motor was always a baby LS9. The LT4 looks like an updated LSA, versus an LS9 replacement.
The LSA motor was always a baby LS9. The LT4 looks like an updated LSA, versus an LS9 replacement.
I don't think GM should ever stop stretching the envelope. I forsee a day, probably long after I'm gone where 800 HP is commonplace.
The problem GM has is keeping the power tidy, and on the pavement. I know the difficulty well.
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01-14-2014, 10:13 PM
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Chevrolet Corvette Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter has told Autoblog there are currently no plans to introduce a C7 Corvette ZR1. What a cop-out. This is almost as bad as hearing all future holidays are canceled. Here’s what Autoblog is reporting: “Introducing a ZR1 halo car above the upcoming Z06, which is due at the end […]
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01-14-2014, 11:23 PM
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C'mon guys it's all marketing, would you rather hear back when the C7 was introduced for GM to say, "we are going to release the base car in 2014, z06 for the 2015 MY and then a zr1 shortly after in 20xx"
What would that do to sales to both the Z06 but especially the base model - right you are - fewer sales!!!
C'mon guys it's all marketing, would you rather hear back when the C7 was introduced for GM to say, "we are going to release the base car in 2014, z06 for the 2015 MY and then a zr1 shortly after in 20xx"
What would that do to sales to both the Z06 but especially the base model - right you are - fewer sales!!!
01-15-2014, 02:14 AM
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^^^ Bingo with Halltech ^^^
C'mon guys it's all marketing, would you rather hear back when the C7 was introduced for GM to say, "we are going to release the base car in 2014, z06 for the 2015 MY and then a zr1 shortly after in 20xx"
What would that do to sales to both the Z06 but especially the base model - right you are - fewer sales!!!
C'mon guys it's all marketing, would you rather hear back when the C7 was introduced for GM to say, "we are going to release the base car in 2014, z06 for the 2015 MY and then a zr1 shortly after in 20xx"
What would that do to sales to both the Z06 but especially the base model - right you are - fewer sales!!!
01-15-2014, 02:29 AM
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And I don't mean a set of r-comps pre-warmed on a perfect track, but normal tires at street driving temperature.
Therefore, what I'd like to see (or dream about), is an advanced AWD, with active front, center, and rear diffs, and 700+ hp. Or some super hybrid (918/P1/LaFerrari) but with traction motors on the front axle.
01-15-2014, 02:38 AM
#30
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Once again the ZR1 was a commercial flop. Why can't people see this. Yes a few of them sold, a little over 4000 over it's lifetime. The Z06 sold 5 times as many over it's lifetime. All the ZR1 was a way for GM to drum up attention to try to generate interest in the flagging sales figures for the Z06 and Base when the ZR1 was revealed. The GS was far better at increasing sales.
If they need to release a ZR1 that isn't a good thing for the Corvette because it means sales are down. There isn't enough demand for GM to even have that discussion right now. If GM really wanted to change their image from a "bang for the buck" sports car manufacturer to one with sophistication, they might need a new halo car. One that isn't based on anything out right now, go mid engine, make an interior that oozes exotic and sell it for $150k+ but ensure that it beats a Z06 around the track. The Corvette by association will garner more sales just like the GT-R helped the 370Z, the Ford GT helped the Mustang, etc. etc.
The Corvette is a nice car, it will be the nicest car i have ever owned, but, it's a far cry from an Audi R8, Porsche GT3, etc. GM is not the greatest when it comes to interiors, the C7 is a giant step in the right direction, but they need to work on making the cabin appeal to the subconscious. Simple things like getting rid of the ***** plastic console. Plastic is a great material to build hidden structure with, but I don't want to see it or touch it. Use actual metal instead of "metallic" looking surfaces. It's the little things that make a car great. I doubt the sum of the parts of Porsche are worth the asking price but they nailed the interior. It may be "teutonic" but everything you interact with feels like quality. The C7 Corvette makes the single most exciting button in the car an after thought with cheap black plastic...I mean it's a small quibble but the start button should feel like you are launching a damn ICBM, not powering up your home computer.
If they need to release a ZR1 that isn't a good thing for the Corvette because it means sales are down. There isn't enough demand for GM to even have that discussion right now. If GM really wanted to change their image from a "bang for the buck" sports car manufacturer to one with sophistication, they might need a new halo car. One that isn't based on anything out right now, go mid engine, make an interior that oozes exotic and sell it for $150k+ but ensure that it beats a Z06 around the track. The Corvette by association will garner more sales just like the GT-R helped the 370Z, the Ford GT helped the Mustang, etc. etc.
The Corvette is a nice car, it will be the nicest car i have ever owned, but, it's a far cry from an Audi R8, Porsche GT3, etc. GM is not the greatest when it comes to interiors, the C7 is a giant step in the right direction, but they need to work on making the cabin appeal to the subconscious. Simple things like getting rid of the ***** plastic console. Plastic is a great material to build hidden structure with, but I don't want to see it or touch it. Use actual metal instead of "metallic" looking surfaces. It's the little things that make a car great. I doubt the sum of the parts of Porsche are worth the asking price but they nailed the interior. It may be "teutonic" but everything you interact with feels like quality. The C7 Corvette makes the single most exciting button in the car an after thought with cheap black plastic...I mean it's a small quibble but the start button should feel like you are launching a damn ICBM, not powering up your home computer.
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01-15-2014, 03:52 AM
#31
In terms of the topic at hand: If GM is going to do something even more impressive than this Z06...well that would certainly be interesting.
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01-15-2014, 05:50 AM
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I had assumed all along that there wasn't going to be BOTH a C7 Z06 and a C7 ZR1.
This new Z06 is a nice marriage/amalgamation of the two cars in an entirely new package.
They still have to be able sell these things (ZR1s didn't sell all that well and even Z06 sales dropped notably in the latter years) and also not cannibalize or obsolete each other in the process as well.
Sometimes less, is more.
This new Z06 is a nice marriage/amalgamation of the two cars in an entirely new package.
They still have to be able sell these things (ZR1s didn't sell all that well and even Z06 sales dropped notably in the latter years) and also not cannibalize or obsolete each other in the process as well.
Sometimes less, is more.
01-15-2014, 10:53 AM
#33
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There will be a ZR1....I would put money on it myself.
01-15-2014, 12:08 PM
#34
Once again the ZR1 was a commercial flop. Why can't people see this. Yes a few of them sold, a little over 4000 over it's lifetime. The Z06 sold 5 times as many over it's lifetime. All the ZR1 was a way for GM to drum up attention to try to generate interest in the flagging sales figures for the Z06 and Base when the ZR1 was revealed. The GS was far better at increasing sales.
If they need to release a ZR1 that isn't a good thing for the Corvette because it means sales are down. There isn't enough demand for GM to even have that discussion right now. If GM really wanted to change their image from a "bang for the buck" sports car manufacturer to one with sophistication, they might need a new halo car. One that isn't based on anything out right now, go mid engine, make an interior that oozes exotic and sell it for $150k+ but ensure that it beats a Z06 around the track. The Corvette by association will garner more sales just like the GT-R helped the 370Z, the Ford GT helped the Mustang, etc. etc.
The Corvette is a nice car, it will be the nicest car i have ever owned, but, it's a far cry from an Audi R8, Porsche GT3, etc. GM is not the greatest when it comes to interiors, the C7 is a giant step in the right direction, but they need to work on making the cabin appeal to the subconscious. Simple things like getting rid of the ***** plastic console. Plastic is a great material to build hidden structure with, but I don't want to see it or touch it. Use actual metal instead of "metallic" looking surfaces. It's the little things that make a car great. I doubt the sum of the parts of Porsche are worth the asking price but they nailed the interior. It may be "teutonic" but everything you interact with feels like quality. The C7 Corvette makes the single most exciting button in the car an after thought with cheap black plastic...I mean it's a small quibble but the start button should feel like you are launching a damn ICBM, not powering up your home computer.
If they need to release a ZR1 that isn't a good thing for the Corvette because it means sales are down. There isn't enough demand for GM to even have that discussion right now. If GM really wanted to change their image from a "bang for the buck" sports car manufacturer to one with sophistication, they might need a new halo car. One that isn't based on anything out right now, go mid engine, make an interior that oozes exotic and sell it for $150k+ but ensure that it beats a Z06 around the track. The Corvette by association will garner more sales just like the GT-R helped the 370Z, the Ford GT helped the Mustang, etc. etc.
The Corvette is a nice car, it will be the nicest car i have ever owned, but, it's a far cry from an Audi R8, Porsche GT3, etc. GM is not the greatest when it comes to interiors, the C7 is a giant step in the right direction, but they need to work on making the cabin appeal to the subconscious. Simple things like getting rid of the ***** plastic console. Plastic is a great material to build hidden structure with, but I don't want to see it or touch it. Use actual metal instead of "metallic" looking surfaces. It's the little things that make a car great. I doubt the sum of the parts of Porsche are worth the asking price but they nailed the interior. It may be "teutonic" but everything you interact with feels like quality. The C7 Corvette makes the single most exciting button in the car an after thought with cheap black plastic...I mean it's a small quibble but the start button should feel like you are launching a damn ICBM, not powering up your home computer.
So, let me make a direct, non subconscious statement:
EVERYTHING (visible) in the Porsche and Mercedes interior that looks like metal is actually PLASTIC.
01-15-2014, 12:41 PM
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01-15-2014, 12:58 PM
#36
Drifting
The LS7 motor is meant to safely handle FI - from what I've read/seen they start blowing up, even durability mildly bolted @ 40,000+ miles is questionable. One reason why I didn't stretch for a C6 Z06 and instead opted for the C5 Z06, because I KNOW I will cam it in the future.
01-15-2014, 01:04 PM
#37
Drifting
Once again the ZR1 was a commercial flop. Why can't people see this. Yes a few of them sold, a little over 4000 over it's lifetime. The Z06 sold 5 times as many over it's lifetime. All the ZR1 was a way for GM to drum up attention to try to generate interest in the flagging sales figures for the Z06 and Base when the ZR1 was revealed. The GS was far better at increasing sales.
If they need to release a ZR1 that isn't a good thing for the Corvette because it means sales are down. There isn't enough demand for GM to even have that discussion right now. If GM really wanted to change their image from a "bang for the buck" sports car manufacturer to one with sophistication, they might need a new halo car. One that isn't based on anything out right now, go mid engine, make an interior that oozes exotic and sell it for $150k+ but ensure that it beats a Z06 around the track. The Corvette by association will garner more sales just like the GT-R helped the 370Z, the Ford GT helped the Mustang, etc. etc.
The Corvette is a nice car, it will be the nicest car i have ever owned, but, it's a far cry from an Audi R8, Porsche GT3, etc. GM is not the greatest when it comes to interiors, the C7 is a giant step in the right direction, but they need to work on making the cabin appeal to the subconscious. Simple things like getting rid of the ***** plastic console. Plastic is a great material to build hidden structure with, but I don't want to see it or touch it. Use actual metal instead of "metallic" looking surfaces. It's the little things that make a car great. I doubt the sum of the parts of Porsche are worth the asking price but they nailed the interior. It may be "teutonic" but everything you interact with feels like quality. The C7 Corvette makes the single most exciting button in the car an after thought with cheap black plastic...I mean it's a small quibble but the start button should feel like you are launching a damn ICBM, not powering up your home computer.
If they need to release a ZR1 that isn't a good thing for the Corvette because it means sales are down. There isn't enough demand for GM to even have that discussion right now. If GM really wanted to change their image from a "bang for the buck" sports car manufacturer to one with sophistication, they might need a new halo car. One that isn't based on anything out right now, go mid engine, make an interior that oozes exotic and sell it for $150k+ but ensure that it beats a Z06 around the track. The Corvette by association will garner more sales just like the GT-R helped the 370Z, the Ford GT helped the Mustang, etc. etc.
The Corvette is a nice car, it will be the nicest car i have ever owned, but, it's a far cry from an Audi R8, Porsche GT3, etc. GM is not the greatest when it comes to interiors, the C7 is a giant step in the right direction, but they need to work on making the cabin appeal to the subconscious. Simple things like getting rid of the ***** plastic console. Plastic is a great material to build hidden structure with, but I don't want to see it or touch it. Use actual metal instead of "metallic" looking surfaces. It's the little things that make a car great. I doubt the sum of the parts of Porsche are worth the asking price but they nailed the interior. It may be "teutonic" but everything you interact with feels like quality. The C7 Corvette makes the single most exciting button in the car an after thought with cheap black plastic...I mean it's a small quibble but the start button should feel like you are launching a damn ICBM, not powering up your home computer.
LOts of high end manufacturers use plastic or faux metal/wood trims, believe me. How about the sweet alcantara headliner in the european cars? Oh, I mean FAKE SUEDE. That's like calling vinyl and leather the same thing.
My new 2014 Sierra uses "real AL" trim pieces. So what.
01-15-2014, 01:42 PM
#38
Drifting
Thanks Jim!
On a side note, how many of your GT2 Dred hoods have you now sold? I am wondering if I still have something special.
Best visual mod that I have done to my car by far.
On a side note, how many of your GT2 Dred hoods have you now sold? I am wondering if I still have something special.
Best visual mod that I have done to my car by far.
01-15-2014, 01:50 PM
#39
Race Director
01-15-2014, 02:10 PM
#40
Le Mans Master
Yeah, and Mark Reuss was telling journalists 4 months ago that there was "no discussion of a Z06". These guys will say anything to sell you the current toy they just rolled out - and the Corvette faithful will thank them, salivate, and run out and buy the C7 ZR1 when they surprise us with one this time next year (well, you won't be able to buy one before 2017). We have seen the patents for the centri SC - the ZR1 is coming and it will be mid-700s. Shoot, it may even have retro tail-lamps - who knows. Of course, we all know I have been proven wrong before.
GM knows how to milk it !