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Old 08-22-2014, 03:36 PM
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Can somebody line these two cars up and compare what is standard in a C7 1LZ Z07 vs a C6 1ZR? I'm already hearing a couple guys respond to the ZR1 comparisons with comments to the effect that a Z06 with comparable equipment to a ZR1 will cost the same as the ZR1 initially did anyway, so this price isn't that great. While we all know that to be false (a 2LZ Z07 undercuts the base 1ZR by $10k MSRP), it does bring us an interesting question: how exactly do the cars stack up pricewise when equivalently equipped?
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Originally Posted by rjwz28
(a 2LZ Z07 undercuts the base 1ZR by $10k MSRP)
You already answered your own (silly) question.
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Originally Posted by Victory07
You already answered your own (silly) question.
Thanks for that, but I was saying "equivalently equipped"; a 2LZ C7 Z07 is not equivalent to a 1ZR C6 ZR1, is it? I would assume that a 1ZR would be short at least a few options vs a 2LZ.
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Since one will be lacking a 650hp/650tq engine and the other goodies....they could never be equivalently equipped in my eyes
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Originally Posted by Hemi Dave
Since one will be lacking a 650hp/650tq engine and the other goodies....they could never be equivalently equipped in my eyes
I don't disagree with that, I'm just trying to compare as apples to apples as possible. For instance, I would have thought that a 2015 1LZ Z07 (~$91k with visible carbon) would have been the best equipment comparison vs a 2011 1ZR ($109,800), but somebody immediately said something about nav; did the 1ZR have nav, does the 1LZ Z07 not? Maybe tonight I'll spend more time on Google looking for images of the standard equipment on each trim level for both cars and post it here... I was hoping somebody else already had that info handy
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I have a 1ZR 2011,
no nav/no usb connection
no pass power seat
no "leather" wrap interior
no telescopic/tilt elec steering wheel (just manual tilt)

3ZR had all of the above
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Originally Posted by Hemi Dave
Since one will be lacking a 650hp/650tq engine and the other goodies....they could never be equivalently equipped in my eyes
You're right about lacking in HP but it makes up for it with less weight.
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Originally Posted by mirage2991
I have a 1ZR 2011,
no nav/no usb connection
no pass power seat
no "leather" wrap interior
no telescopic/tilt elec steering wheel (just manual tilt)

3ZR had all of the above
They all had the same tilt manual tilt!
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Originally Posted by sublime1996525
You're right about lacking in HP but it makes up for it with less weight.
1 lz or 3 lz has the hp to weight covered by more than 300 pounds. The 1lz maybe the fastest yet! stick to stick
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Originally Posted by Hemi Dave
Since one will be lacking a 650hp/650tq engine and the other goodies....they could never be equivalently equipped in my eyes
The c6 Zr1 is 200 pounds lighter than the c7 z06.12 horsepower is no great advantage at that point.I would venture to guess that a race between a Zr1 and a manual c7 z06 will be a driver s race.Of course the 8 speed automatic c7 Z06 will have an advantage over the manual cars.I realize the Z06 had a 46 pound feet of torque advantage but that wont be too relevant in a drag race.I d love to see a roll race from 50 mph to top speed between these cars.
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Originally Posted by camirocz
The c6 Zr1 is 200 pounds lighter than the c7 z06.12 horsepower is no great advantage at that point.I would venture to guess that a race between a Zr1 and a manual c7 z06 will be a driver s race.Of course the 8 speed automatic c7 Z06 will have an advantage over the manual cars.I realize the Z06 had a 46 pound feet of torque advantage but that wont be too relevant in a drag race.I d love to see a roll race from 50 mph to top speed between these cars.
I am quite confident you will
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Originally Posted by Hemi Dave
Since one will be lacking a 650hp/650tq engine and the other goodies....they could never be equivalently equipped in my eyes
so you're blind….I'm sorry
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Originally Posted by mirage2991
I have a 1ZR 2011,
no nav/no usb connection
no pass power seat
no "leather" wrap interior
no telescopic/tilt elec steering wheel (just manual tilt)

3ZR had all of the above
There we go, then; the 1LZ compares well with the 1ZR. The 1LZ gains horsepower, torque, and weight while shedding standard carbon brakes and roof plus $31k in base MSRP, but all that can be added back in for less than half the savings in a 1LZ Z07 for a total MSRP of about $91k vs the 1ZR at a base MSRP of $109k; of course, then you have the Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires which are an upgrade from the optional PSCs on the ZR1, more advanced aero, and the electronic diff.

Looks like a bargain to me basically, this car separates the previous ZR1 market into two distinct groups of buyers, both at a significant savings: the first is the group who wants to drive the top-dog Vette, but has little or no aspirations of road course conquest. For those individuals, the base Z06 suspension, brakes and tires will be more than sufficient for any task they will put it to, road or track. For those who want to extract that last bit of performance from the car and for whom the stiffer suspension and track tires will not be a problem, the Z07 is there to satisfy the need, and can be loaded to the gills if so desired for the base MSRP of a C6ZR1.

The only area where we lose on this car is with the weight gain, but in every other metric, this car is an incredible feat of engineering at a price point that simply cannot be ignored
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Originally Posted by rjwz28
There we go, then; the 1LZ compares well with the 1ZR. The 1LZ gains horsepower, torque, and weight while shedding standard carbon brakes and roof plus $31k in base MSRP, but all that can be added back in for less than half the savings in a 1LZ Z07 for a total MSRP of about $91k vs the 1ZR at a base MSRP of $109k; of course, then you have the Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires which are an upgrade from the optional PSCs on the ZR1, more advanced aero, and the electronic diff.

Looks like a bargain to me basically, this car separates the previous ZR1 market into two distinct groups of buyers, both at a significant savings: the first is the group who wants to drive the top-dog Vette, but has little or no aspirations of road course conquest. For those individuals, the base Z06 suspension, brakes and tires will be more than sufficient for any task they will put it to, road or track. For those who want to extract that last bit of performance from the car and for whom the stiffer suspension and track tires will not be a problem, the Z07 is there to satisfy the need, and can be loaded to the gills if so desired for the base MSRP of a C6ZR1.

The only area where we lose on this car is with the weight gain, but in every other metric, this car is an incredible feat of engineering at a price point that simply cannot be ignored
lots of ZR1 were sold bellow MSRP...matter fact, closer to a fully loaded Z06 will be....we're talking a few thousands over. In retrospect, they were a good "bargain" I suppose
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Originally Posted by mirage2991
lots of ZR1 were sold bellow MSRP...matter fact, closer to a fully loaded Z06 will be....we're talking a few thousands over. In retrospect, they were a good "bargain" I suppose

I'm guessing that not many (by that I mean none) ZR1'S were sold at a discount in 09. Let's compare apple to apples here. It's just the way it is in many instances these days.... a new and perceived better product comes on the market to replace older technology at a lower price. We are just not used to it happening in the auto industry.

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