danm1

Will the new Z be on par with a hyper super car like a McLaren? A friend of mine said no way, I say why not, the power and chassis are there. What do you guys think?

RandomTask

Considering the Mclaren P1 has more horsepower, with our without the electric motors, is lighter, and an all out beast, I would think your friends are right.

Glenn Quagmire

McLaren's are in a different league. Vettes have made huge advances over the last 10 or so years, but the technology just isn't the same.

It's a bit like comparing a Challenger Hellcat with a Z07.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a die hard vette guy.

Monkey D. Luffy

in a word, NO

Callsign_Vega

The P1 did the 'ring 6'47" on street tires. That is on another planet compared to the new Z06.

phantasms

Depends on the McLaren.

F1>>>>>Z06
P1>Z06
12C>Z06
Z06>650S (because that thing is horribly ugly)

I've been in every road going McLaren, old and new, and they are absolutely suburb. They should be for $300k+.

Best,
Gene

GZire

No.

phantasms

They, still to this date, never announced a Ring time. That 6.47 was just some marketing number they made up for a slideshow. They claimed to have done it in under 7 minutes, but again, never announced a time. Either they did it in under 7 but still slower than the 918 OR they simply didn't do it in under 7 and were left too embarrassed to announce and show proof. That's what my money is on. The Ring is too tough for that car in Race mode. Additionally some magazines have tested the 918 vs the P1 on the track and the 918 destroys the P1. The McLaren F1 is my absolute favorite car. However the modern day McLaren [company] continues to disappoint me.

Best,
Gene

Snorman

Bingo.
But I think Z06>MP4
There have been MP4's at a few events I have ran at, and IMO they are a very plain looking car. The 650S is pretty damn sharp!
Acceleration-wise, the A8 Z06 may be somewhat close to the 650 in the mid-10's.
S.

phantasms

I just can't get with those fake vents in the front of the 650S. It looks a lot rougher in person than in photos. Personally, I like the clean and plain look of the 12C. And here I am getting the Z07 package.

Best,
Gene

SBC_and_a_stick

I think it's a tie with the 650s. It's only the hybrid P1 that's in a higher class.

The 650s excels in terms of chassis design and electronics. That is McLaren's know-how. At that price point, McLaren can also afford a few more exotic materials than GM.

However, I am far more impressed with GM's powerterrain than the one build by Ricardo for McLaren. The LT4 is higher output, more compact, and offers better throttle response. In addition, GM has designed road cars for a century. The convenience, utility and amenities of the C7 far surpass those of the McLaren.

Jump to the P1, and I think the balance swings in favor of the McLaren. The hybrid bits offset the power terrain deficiencies and turn them into strengths.

The McLarens are more like race cars with some convenience, whereas the C7 is a full on road car with the ability to challenge a race car on the track. I think they are in different categories and hard to compare.

Jp23rockstar

The only McLaren that will produce a better lap time than a C7 Z06 Z07 is the P1. All the rest in lap times will be behind the Z06 Z07.

Snorman

IMO the MP4 is just too plain. I think the front of the 650 looks great in person, very P1-like.
A friend's 650 when we were at Sebring a few months ago with the CCR guys...



S.

redzone

Link?

CasperDog

Where did you hear this, McLaren nor LaFerrari posted Ring times as they did not beat the 918 Spyder, nor possibly, many others. The P1 is one BA car so again, it only goes to show you, one single measurement does not make the prowess of a car. The announcement of McLaren to build a track version of the P1 is not at all surprising. They say it was at the request of their customers, and it may in part be true, however the stigma it could not beat the 918 would otherwise have followed it for years.

phantasms

They should have built a P1 racecar and taken it to Le Mans and the other 24 hours races.

As for the Ring time I'm certain they didn't beat the 918. We raced a car there and completed two years in a row a couple years back. You need a more compliant suspension than that thing has. We're racing again at the next 24 hours with a 2, possibly 3, car team. If anyone will be there let me know.

Here's the beautiful (but bullish!t) video that McLaren put out about its loss to the 918.


Best,
Gene

phantasms

http://api.stage.app.evo.co.uk/editi...f0d86/web.html

They decided to not release the numbers but my old journalist friends said the 918 crushed it. You can still get that sentiment from the article.

The suspension of the 918 makes it a better Ring car than the P1 as the Ring is very rough and bumpy. Yet the 918 still crushed the P1 on a perfect glassy track (which would favor the P1). And with this the 918 still just barely cracked 7 minutes. I have no proof but I'm telling everyone here no way did the P1 break 7 minutes.....nor will the Z06 for that matter.

Best,
Gene

K-TownMike

Yeah I am interested in seeing that too. Not calling BS, just curious.

speedfreak27

According to some P1 owners, McLaren has shown them the full in-car video of the P1's timed lap around the Nurburgring upon visiting their headquarters in England. They claim the video shows the P1 coming in under the 918's timed run. They also claim McLaren made them sign NDA's before showing them the video which is why no owner will divulge the P1's Nurburgring time. But this is the internet...

By the way, I wouldn't put any stock in Evo's story. They're notoriously biased toward Porsche.

ivanjo11

Mclaren are simply too powerfull and too light for the Z.

C&D in their october issue tested the C7 Z51 at VIR and did 2:53.8 that is just 0.3 sec of what the Z06 did with the Z07 package that is impressive. That lap time is also over 6 seconds faster than another C7 competiror the new M4. By the way Porsche 918 did 2:43 seconds.

And beginning this Monday MT is going to realease their 2014 best drivers cars and for my surprise no C7 in the group.