A8 vs PDK, GM Propaganda?
10-28-2014, 11:36 PM
#121
Race Director
Guys,
We've got 6 pages here-no one will come to any conclusions until the ZO6 comes out. Hell, when it does come out, you possibly will STILL not come to any conclusions.
My point is.....the ZO6 is not out yet and we're arguing 6 pages worth. I drove a 2015 C7 with the A8 transmission-it shifted just fine. I could barely tell the car shifted. How much does it really matter how many milliseconds it shifts????
DCT, torque converter, no torque converter.....after 6 pages, it makes for boring reading.
We've got 6 pages here-no one will come to any conclusions until the ZO6 comes out. Hell, when it does come out, you possibly will STILL not come to any conclusions.
My point is.....the ZO6 is not out yet and we're arguing 6 pages worth. I drove a 2015 C7 with the A8 transmission-it shifted just fine. I could barely tell the car shifted. How much does it really matter how many milliseconds it shifts????
DCT, torque converter, no torque converter.....after 6 pages, it makes for boring reading.
The paint dried (finally) in my kitchen, so I got to read this thread. Pretty similar, actually.
Jimmy
10-29-2014, 09:37 AM
#122
Le Mans Master
In comparing the videos, I honestly can't tell which tranny completes the shift, first. At 13 seconds in the 8L90 video, if you slo-mo it, the paddle is pulled right at 6000rpm, and the tach shows the shift completes by 6100 or 6200rpm. A few of the others were a little better or a little worse, and it's hard to judge accurately from the video. However, that's more than good enough to pull me away from the M7.
Good choice!
The A8 is a no-brainer and the video shows how fast this transmission shifts......welcome to the A8 Club.
10-29-2014, 09:39 AM
#123
Le Mans Master
I have seen the video and read the reviews...for me its obvious, the A8 is a fast shifting transmission. If you don't like the fast speed with which it shifts then don't buy.
10-29-2014, 09:41 AM
#124
Le Mans Master
Guys,
We've got 6 pages here-no one will come to any conclusions until the ZO6 comes out. Hell, when it does come out, you possibly will STILL not come to any conclusions.
My point is.....the ZO6 is not out yet and we're arguing 6 pages worth. I drove a 2015 C7 with the A8 transmission-it shifted just fine. I could barely tell the car shifted. How much does it really matter how many milliseconds it shifts????
DCT, torque converter, no torque converter.....after 6 pages, it makes for boring reading.
We've got 6 pages here-no one will come to any conclusions until the ZO6 comes out. Hell, when it does come out, you possibly will STILL not come to any conclusions.
My point is.....the ZO6 is not out yet and we're arguing 6 pages worth. I drove a 2015 C7 with the A8 transmission-it shifted just fine. I could barely tell the car shifted. How much does it really matter how many milliseconds it shifts????
DCT, torque converter, no torque converter.....after 6 pages, it makes for boring reading.
Thanks for your observations. Yes, the videos and reviews show the A8 is a fast shifting transmission. And you are simply concurring with what the majority has said on this topic. Some don't get it yet, but will in time.
10-30-2014, 07:30 PM
#126
Team Owner
10-30-2014, 07:47 PM
#127
Turn 12!
10-30-2014, 07:57 PM
#128
Team Owner
Is it really? His entire time in this section has been full of nothing but negativity towards the c7 transmissions and the decisions gm has made about them. The z06 isnt even out yet and he has been callng it a failure or gm using false advertising. Not to mention the first time a new 8spd has problems he is making sure the z06 section knows about it.
He cant wait until the z hits the streets and can be tested to match gm's claims, and he cant wait for more information to be revealed on the dead a8 on another member's c7.
This was a failure in his eyes before he ever got to test drive one.
He cant wait until the z hits the streets and can be tested to match gm's claims, and he cant wait for more information to be revealed on the dead a8 on another member's c7.
This was a failure in his eyes before he ever got to test drive one.
10-30-2014, 08:22 PM
#129
Le Mans Master
10-30-2014, 08:52 PM
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Is it really? His entire time in this section has been full of nothing but negativity towards the c7 transmissions and the decisions gm has made about them. The z06 isnt even out yet and he has been callng it a failure or gm using false advertising. Not to mention the first time a new 8spd has problems he is making sure the z06 section knows about it.
He cant wait until the z hits the streets and can be tested to match gm's claims, and he cant wait for more information to be revealed on the dead a8 on another member's c7.
This was a failure in his eyes before he ever got to test drive one.
He cant wait until the z hits the streets and can be tested to match gm's claims, and he cant wait for more information to be revealed on the dead a8 on another member's c7.
This was a failure in his eyes before he ever got to test drive one.
Personally I want to hear all the opinions, both positive AND negative.
10-30-2014, 08:54 PM
#132
Race Director
I kind of thought you had made that clear about 200 replies ago.
Jimmy
10-30-2014, 11:22 PM
#133
You want to know why I'm riding GM's azz on the A8? They publicized the A8 as being better than a DCT, I believed their propaganda and sold my Z06/Z07 so I could order the new C7 with the A8. THEN, I test drive the C7 A8, twice, and find the A8 is a turd compared to a DCT.
Yes, it's my fault for taking GM for their word, should have known better after I took it in the shorts on their stock when they went bankrupt.
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10-30-2014, 11:30 PM
#134
Jimmy...I never said the A8 was inadequate, I said it is NOT what GM said it's supposed to be. For you and others I'm sure it'll be plenty adequate. For me it's a turd compared to the PDK or even the BMW steptronic.
10-31-2014, 01:49 AM
#135
You are being disingenuous, sir.
GM never said it was "better."
They said it could shift faster in certain circumstances.
should have known better after I took it in the shorts on their stock when they went bankrupt.
10-31-2014, 09:16 AM
#136
Race Director
Just for your information, I own a MANUAL C7 and will own a MANUAL as long as Chevrolet offers it (which I fear is going to end fairly soon). After 2 threads YOU started, clearly YOU think the transmission is inadequate, not up to par, not what GM says it is....whatever.
As for me, I am a MANUAL guy till the end....I know automatics are "faster" and I could not care less. As I stated earlier, the car will be faster if IT does the shifting, the paddles are there so guys can think they're doing something. You're all wound up on GM marketing, well, the "Flappy paddles" (thanks Clarkson, the one thing we agree on) are the ultimate marketing...so guys can play Formula One driver and pretend they're "involved" (like they would be with a 3 pedal car).
Jimmy
10-31-2014, 01:43 PM
#137
So what? If his opinion is negative does that mean he is not wanted here? Is he not allowed to express an opinion? It's really starting to get tiring with all the folks jumping on other folks who don't have the C7 held to the highest praises.
Personally I want to hear all the opinions, both positive AND negative.
Personally I want to hear all the opinions, both positive AND negative.
10-31-2014, 01:45 PM
#138
WOW, why all the hate?
You want to know why I'm riding GM's azz on the A8? They publicized the A8 as being better than a DCT, I believed their propaganda and sold my Z06/Z07 so I could order the new C7 with the A8. THEN, I test drive the C7 A8, twice, and find the A8 is a turd compared to a DCT.
Yes, it's my fault for taking GM for their word, should have known better after I took it in the shorts on their stock when they went bankrupt.
You want to know why I'm riding GM's azz on the A8? They publicized the A8 as being better than a DCT, I believed their propaganda and sold my Z06/Z07 so I could order the new C7 with the A8. THEN, I test drive the C7 A8, twice, and find the A8 is a turd compared to a DCT.
Yes, it's my fault for taking GM for their word, should have known better after I took it in the shorts on their stock when they went bankrupt.
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10-31-2014, 01:45 PM
#139
Well Steve,
Just for your information, I own a MANUAL C7 and will own a MANUAL as long as Chevrolet offers it (which I fear is going to end fairly soon). After 2 threads YOU started, clearly YOU think the transmission is inadequate, not up to par, not what GM says it is....whatever.
As for me, I am a MANUAL guy till the end....I know automatics are "faster" and I could not care less. As I stated earlier, the car will be faster if IT does the shifting, the paddles are there so guys can think they're doing something. You're all wound up on GM marketing, well, the "Flappy paddles" (thanks Clarkson, the one thing we agree on) are the ultimate marketing...so guys can play Formula One driver and pretend they're "involved" (like they would be with a 3 pedal car).
Jimmy
Just for your information, I own a MANUAL C7 and will own a MANUAL as long as Chevrolet offers it (which I fear is going to end fairly soon). After 2 threads YOU started, clearly YOU think the transmission is inadequate, not up to par, not what GM says it is....whatever.
As for me, I am a MANUAL guy till the end....I know automatics are "faster" and I could not care less. As I stated earlier, the car will be faster if IT does the shifting, the paddles are there so guys can think they're doing something. You're all wound up on GM marketing, well, the "Flappy paddles" (thanks Clarkson, the one thing we agree on) are the ultimate marketing...so guys can play Formula One driver and pretend they're "involved" (like they would be with a 3 pedal car).
Jimmy
