Did GM Leave Something On The Table??
#1
Melting Slicks
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Did GM Leave Something On The Table??
It seems that in keeping with tradition, the Z is indeed bred to be an inexpensive track focused car. Many here are disappointed with some of the performance metrics (roll times, 0-150, 1/4 mile, etc.). So, this leads me to ask: now that performance tests are out, do you think GM has left some room for a halo car (i.e. ZR1/Zora)? Is this the limit of what they can do with a front engine, rwd machine? What kind of performance would you like to see in the upcoming king of vettes?
Personally, I'm plenty happy with the performance numbers detailed by the rags. I'm excited to add my newly built Z07 to my ZR1, but I also have a deposit down on the next ZR1/Zora.
The Z is an incredible car and I believe it will provide a better overall driving experience than my ZR. However, I think Chevy is working on something that will be very, very special. If the Z is any indication, the ZR/Zora will be a bargain at under $200K.
Personally, I'm plenty happy with the performance numbers detailed by the rags. I'm excited to add my newly built Z07 to my ZR1, but I also have a deposit down on the next ZR1/Zora.
The Z is an incredible car and I believe it will provide a better overall driving experience than my ZR. However, I think Chevy is working on something that will be very, very special. If the Z is any indication, the ZR/Zora will be a bargain at under $200K.
#2
Le Mans Master
It seems that in keeping with tradition, the Z is indeed bred to be an inexpensive track focused car. Many here are disappointed with some of the performance metrics (roll times, 0-150, 1/4 mile, etc.). So, this leads me to ask: now that performance tests are out, do you think GM has left some room for a halo car (i.e. ZR1/Zora)? Is this the limit of what they can do with a front engine, rwd machine? What kind of performance would you like to see in the upcoming king of vettes?
Personally, I'm plenty happy with the performance numbers detailed by the rags. I'm excited to add my newly built Z07 to my ZR1, but I also have a deposit down on the next ZR1/Zora.
The Z is an incredible car and I believe it will provide a better overall driving experience than my ZR. However, I think Chevy is working on something that will be very, very special. If the Z is any indication, the ZR/Zora will be a bargain at under $200K.
Personally, I'm plenty happy with the performance numbers detailed by the rags. I'm excited to add my newly built Z07 to my ZR1, but I also have a deposit down on the next ZR1/Zora.
The Z is an incredible car and I believe it will provide a better overall driving experience than my ZR. However, I think Chevy is working on something that will be very, very special. If the Z is any indication, the ZR/Zora will be a bargain at under $200K.
#3
Pro
Most track capable Corvette of all time! In addition this platform is giving them tremendous data to build something even faster / better.
The ZR1 did put up some impressive numbers in its day though, light and 600+ hp, duh….
The ZR1 did put up some impressive numbers in its day though, light and 600+ hp, duh….
#4
Melting Slicks
do you think GM has left some room for a halo car
I didn't buy my new 2015Z to go over 186MPH or race on the 'ring.....I bought it because it looks bad-***, will out handle anything that I have previously owned including my current 2011 Z06 and be the fastest new car that I have ever bought with full warranty...can't wait to get it and start driving it everyday for my daily driver!!! If something better comes along, then I may consider trading it in too just like I am with my DD 2011 Z06. Certainly nothing to fret over, people really get funny about magazine articles and "bragging rights"!
#5
Safety Car
Yes, the Z06 is an incredible car and GM never advertised it as "King of the Hill"....they jumped the gun when they boasted about beating the ZR1 at Milford because I'm sure that the ZR1 still holds the 'ring time....all they need now is an 800HP version and it then can be crowned "King of the Hill"!
I didn't buy my new 2015Z to go over 186MPH or race on the 'ring.....I bought it because it looks bad-***, will out handle anything that I have previously owned including my current 2011 Z06 and be the fastest new car that I have ever bought with full warranty...can't wait to get it and start driving it everyday for my daily driver!!! If something better comes along, then I may consider trading it in too just like I am with my DD 2011 Z06. Certainly nothing to fret over, people really get funny about magazine articles and "bragging rights"!
I didn't buy my new 2015Z to go over 186MPH or race on the 'ring.....I bought it because it looks bad-***, will out handle anything that I have previously owned including my current 2011 Z06 and be the fastest new car that I have ever bought with full warranty...can't wait to get it and start driving it everyday for my daily driver!!! If something better comes along, then I may consider trading it in too just like I am with my DD 2011 Z06. Certainly nothing to fret over, people really get funny about magazine articles and "bragging rights"!
#6
Le Mans Master
It seems that in keeping with tradition, the Z is indeed bred to be an inexpensive track focused car. Many here are disappointed with some of the performance metrics (roll times, 0-150, 1/4 mile, etc.). So, this leads me to ask: now that performance tests are out, do you think GM has left some room for a halo car (i.e. ZR1/Zora)? Is this the limit of what they can do with a front engine, rwd machine? What kind of performance would you like to see in the upcoming king of vettes?
Personally, I'm plenty happy with the performance numbers detailed by the rags. I'm excited to add my newly built Z07 to my ZR1, but I also have a deposit down on the next ZR1/Zora.
The Z is an incredible car and I believe it will provide a better overall driving experience than my ZR. However, I think Chevy is working on something that will be very, very special. If the Z is any indication, the ZR/Zora will be a bargain at under $200K.
Personally, I'm plenty happy with the performance numbers detailed by the rags. I'm excited to add my newly built Z07 to my ZR1, but I also have a deposit down on the next ZR1/Zora.
The Z is an incredible car and I believe it will provide a better overall driving experience than my ZR. However, I think Chevy is working on something that will be very, very special. If the Z is any indication, the ZR/Zora will be a bargain at under $200K.
Do you mean you will place a deposit if the car is announced? How can you have a deposit on something that dealers have no clue if it will ever exist?
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I think Chevy is definitely looking at a mid engine Zora or ZR1. It may be built on the next generation platform (meaning all mid engine Vettes) and produced along with the C7.
This would allow Chevy to use the Zora to develop a base for the C8 and share the costs of development.
If so, it will definitely have more top end than the track oriented Z06.
And Glenn, I'm just glad to say I know a guy that is getting one.
This would allow Chevy to use the Zora to develop a base for the C8 and share the costs of development.
If so, it will definitely have more top end than the track oriented Z06.
And Glenn, I'm just glad to say I know a guy that is getting one.
#8
Team Owner
I think everyone is focusing WAY too much on (some of, not all of) these magazine results.
Unless they're lying, GM/Chevrolet released their own numbers not too long ago (2.9 second 0-60 and 10.9 second 1/4 mile times for the automatic and 3.2 seconds and 11.2 for the manual) and their numbers are always conservative when compared to what some of us get out of these cars once we get some miles on them and get them to the drag strips.
For example, GM/Chevrolet claimed that a 6 speed automatic Corvette LS2 should run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 112mph.
My bone stock C6 LS2 did it in 12.21 seconds at almost 116mph.
A guy (with a manual) out in Texas ran a 12.23.
They claimed 11.6 seconds at 124mph for the C6 Z06.
Jamie Furman and Ranger did it in 10.9 and 11.0 seconds and 128mph.
The C7 Z06 will be NO different.
Expect 'private owner' 1/4 mile times in the 10.4 - 10.7 second range at over 131+mph within a year from right now.
If that's not impressive enough then this may not be the car for you.
Unless they're lying, GM/Chevrolet released their own numbers not too long ago (2.9 second 0-60 and 10.9 second 1/4 mile times for the automatic and 3.2 seconds and 11.2 for the manual) and their numbers are always conservative when compared to what some of us get out of these cars once we get some miles on them and get them to the drag strips.
For example, GM/Chevrolet claimed that a 6 speed automatic Corvette LS2 should run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 112mph.
My bone stock C6 LS2 did it in 12.21 seconds at almost 116mph.
A guy (with a manual) out in Texas ran a 12.23.
They claimed 11.6 seconds at 124mph for the C6 Z06.
Jamie Furman and Ranger did it in 10.9 and 11.0 seconds and 128mph.
The C7 Z06 will be NO different.
Expect 'private owner' 1/4 mile times in the 10.4 - 10.7 second range at over 131+mph within a year from right now.
If that's not impressive enough then this may not be the car for you.
#9
Melting Slicks
I think everyone is focusing WAY too much on (some of, not all of) these magazine results.
Unless they're lying, GM/Chevrolet released their own numbers not too long ago (2.9 second 0-60 and 10.9 second 1/4 mile times for the automatic and 3.2 seconds and 11.2 for the manual) and their numbers are always conservative when compared to what some of us get out of these cars once we get some miles on them and get them to the drag strips.
For example, GM/Chevrolet claimed that a 6 speed automatic Corvette LS2 should run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 112mph.
My bone stock C6 LS2 did it in 12.21 seconds at almost 116mph.
A guy (with a manual) out in Texas ran a 12.23.
They claimed 11.6 seconds at 124mph for the C6 Z06.
Jamie Furman and Ranger did it in 10.9 and 11.0 seconds and 128mph.
The C7 Z06 will be NO different.
Expect 'private owner' 1/4 mile times in the 10.4 - 10.7 second range at over 131+mph within a year from right now.
If that's not impressive enough then this may not be the car for you.
Unless they're lying, GM/Chevrolet released their own numbers not too long ago (2.9 second 0-60 and 10.9 second 1/4 mile times for the automatic and 3.2 seconds and 11.2 for the manual) and their numbers are always conservative when compared to what some of us get out of these cars once we get some miles on them and get them to the drag strips.
For example, GM/Chevrolet claimed that a 6 speed automatic Corvette LS2 should run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 112mph.
My bone stock C6 LS2 did it in 12.21 seconds at almost 116mph.
A guy (with a manual) out in Texas ran a 12.23.
They claimed 11.6 seconds at 124mph for the C6 Z06.
Jamie Furman and Ranger did it in 10.9 and 11.0 seconds and 128mph.
The C7 Z06 will be NO different.
Expect 'private owner' 1/4 mile times in the 10.4 - 10.7 second range at over 131+mph within a year from right now.
If that's not impressive enough then this may not be the car for you.
Even a liter bike is quicker than the fastest production cars in the 1/4. To say nothing of the liter and a half bikes, and the coming wave of electrics, and supercharged bikes all of which are even more stupidly quick.
#10
I think everyone is focusing WAY too much on (some of, not all of) these magazine results.
Unless they're lying, GM/Chevrolet released their own numbers not too long ago (2.9 second 0-60 and 10.9 second 1/4 mile times for the automatic and 3.2 seconds and 11.2 for the manual) and their numbers are always conservative when compared to what some of us get out of these cars once we get some miles on them and get them to the drag strips.
For example, GM/Chevrolet claimed that a 6 speed automatic Corvette LS2 should run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 112mph.
My bone stock C6 LS2 did it in 12.21 seconds at almost 116mph.
A guy (with a manual) out in Texas ran a 12.23.
They claimed 11.6 seconds at 124mph for the C6 Z06.
Jamie Furman and Ranger did it in 10.9 and 11.0 seconds and 128mph.
The C7 Z06 will be NO different.
Expect 'private owner' 1/4 mile times in the 10.4 - 10.7 second range at over 131+mph within a year from right now.
If that's not impressive enough then this may not be the car for you.
Unless they're lying, GM/Chevrolet released their own numbers not too long ago (2.9 second 0-60 and 10.9 second 1/4 mile times for the automatic and 3.2 seconds and 11.2 for the manual) and their numbers are always conservative when compared to what some of us get out of these cars once we get some miles on them and get them to the drag strips.
For example, GM/Chevrolet claimed that a 6 speed automatic Corvette LS2 should run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 112mph.
My bone stock C6 LS2 did it in 12.21 seconds at almost 116mph.
A guy (with a manual) out in Texas ran a 12.23.
They claimed 11.6 seconds at 124mph for the C6 Z06.
Jamie Furman and Ranger did it in 10.9 and 11.0 seconds and 128mph.
The C7 Z06 will be NO different.
Expect 'private owner' 1/4 mile times in the 10.4 - 10.7 second range at over 131+mph within a year from right now.
If that's not impressive enough then this may not be the car for you.
#11
Team Owner
But a bone stock automatic C7 Z06 will at least hit that 10.7 second mark for sure.
#12
The only thing I see are people who, to put it in a nice way, don't understand anything but going in a straight line, not understanding that GM isn't catering to that crowd and therefore didn't compromise track performance. I am glad for it. Cars are meant to turn.
#13
Every single performance metric would be improved if they took some weight off. This could be accomplished relatively inexpensively and would give them another model to sell. There will be some very vocal critics of this idea who don't seem to like the idea of a decontented version being offered to members of the public who want it. Why they react this way, I don't understand.
#14
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Because said critics want the fastest car for image alone. A decontented car like the z28 would kill the loaded vehicle and then said critics could not have their luxury and bragging rights in the same car. Lots of tape measuring in this crowd.
There will be some very vocal critics of this idea who don't seem to like the idea of a decontented version being offered to members of the public who want it. Why they react this way, I don't understand.
#16
Race Director
The only people disappointed with the c7 z06 are trollers.
The track performance description by Carlos Largos video describes priorities of the corvette engineers....useable and confidence inspiring super car performance.
Will there be higher levels of performance during the 7th generation?
If it's a five year run as mentioned earlier then no...but if the 7th gen runs more than five year .....yes
The track performance description by Carlos Largos video describes priorities of the corvette engineers....useable and confidence inspiring super car performance.
Will there be higher levels of performance during the 7th generation?
If it's a five year run as mentioned earlier then no...but if the 7th gen runs more than five year .....yes
#17
Safety Car
I think everyone is focusing WAY too much on (some of, not all of) these magazine results.
Unless they're lying, GM/Chevrolet released their own numbers not too long ago (2.9 second 0-60 and 10.9 second 1/4 mile times for the automatic and 3.2 seconds and 11.2 for the manual) and their numbers are always conservative when compared to what some of us get out of these cars once we get some miles on them and get them to the drag strips.
For example, GM/Chevrolet claimed that a 6 speed automatic Corvette LS2 should run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 112mph.
My bone stock C6 LS2 did it in 12.21 seconds at almost 116mph.
A guy (with a manual) out in Texas ran a 12.23.
They claimed 11.6 seconds at 124mph for the C6 Z06.
Jamie Furman and Ranger did it in 10.9 and 11.0 seconds and 128mph.
The C7 Z06 will be NO different.
Expect 'private owner' 1/4 mile times in the 10.4 - 10.7 second range at over 131+mph within a year from right now.
If that's not impressive enough then this may not be the car for you.
Unless they're lying, GM/Chevrolet released their own numbers not too long ago (2.9 second 0-60 and 10.9 second 1/4 mile times for the automatic and 3.2 seconds and 11.2 for the manual) and their numbers are always conservative when compared to what some of us get out of these cars once we get some miles on them and get them to the drag strips.
For example, GM/Chevrolet claimed that a 6 speed automatic Corvette LS2 should run the 1/4 mile in 12.6 seconds at 112mph.
My bone stock C6 LS2 did it in 12.21 seconds at almost 116mph.
A guy (with a manual) out in Texas ran a 12.23.
They claimed 11.6 seconds at 124mph for the C6 Z06.
Jamie Furman and Ranger did it in 10.9 and 11.0 seconds and 128mph.
The C7 Z06 will be NO different.
Expect 'private owner' 1/4 mile times in the 10.4 - 10.7 second range at over 131+mph within a year from right now.
If that's not impressive enough then this may not be the car for you.
I snuck in a 12.36 @ 116mph on a +100' DA day here in N. Texas (very rare) way back in '02 when my C5Z had 1000 miles on it. But most people do not race at these faster tracks where all the records are being set.
I'm not disappointed in the magazine tests of the C7Z. Just a basic knowledge of physics and 2 decades of drag racing would tell me that the car weighing what it does, with the power it makes... I don't expect it to be faster (_all conditions/variables being equal_) than the outgoing ZR1... in a 1/4 mile race.
#19
Le Mans Master
The Ring also has a lot of straights. I wouldn't be surprised if the C7Z beat the ZR1 time but i don't expect it to SMOKE it. Not at all. Unless we just have different opinions on what smoke means.