Who's going to pay the gas guzzler tax
#1
Burning Brakes
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Who's going to pay the gas guzzler tax
So this question is relevant to the people who already have finalized orders and purchase orders showing exact amounts based on those amounts at the time of ordering and agreed to when signed. if there's a new tax implemented don't you think the dealer should be responsible for that since they agreed to a set price already and put it in writing. I would understand if they told me this prior but there was nothing said about it. I'm in sales also I want to place an order for product if the MSRP changes before I get it to delivered to the client I could never go to the client and ask him to pay more we agreed on a price already. Now I fully understand the dealers sold his car before it came outand that's all fine and dandy but really who's fault is that? I asked how much it was they told me I agreed to it now if they're pricing was incorrect isn't that their fault? Let's me fair, I'm paying full MSRP. They're doing just fine
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#3
I bet the dealers contracts cover that possibility. It is called fine print. They should definitely split the difference but I bet they will not.
#5
Melting Slicks
????IT'S A TAX!! MSRP does not cover taxes. They didn't know any more than you did that it was going to have GGT. Give it a go! and good luck with that plan. I love a buck as much or more that the next guy! but even I am not unrealistic enough to think the the dealer will eat all or part of it. If you get your dealer to buy into that plan, let me know I want you to call mine and sell him on the idea. JD
#6
Melting Slicks
????IT'S A TAX!! MSRP does not cover taxes. They didn't know any more than you did that it was going to have GGT. Give it a go! and good luck with that plan. I love a buck as much or more that the next guy! but even I am not unrealistic enough to think the the dealer will eat all or part of it. If you get your dealer to buy into that plan, let me know I want you to call mine and sell him on the idea. JD
#7
Le Mans Master
The GGT is included in the MSRP.
My po specifies that fact and that I have agreed to MSRP.
So I will be paying the GGT.
My po specifies that fact and that I have agreed to MSRP.
So I will be paying the GGT.
#8
Burning Brakes
BobD
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I am not at all happy about my out the door price changing! I had no idea there would be a gas guzzler tax, but shouldn't dealers have know this was a possibility and they should have mentioned this possibility? I'm not sure, but don't think this is anything new? When I was given MSRP I asked for a total, including tax, title, fees, and was given what I was told was a firm price. I hope there are no more bad surprises!
#11
Burning Brakes
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????IT'S A TAX!! MSRP does not cover taxes. They didn't know any more than you did that it was going to have GGT. Give it a go! and good luck with that plan. I love a buck as much or more that the next guy! but even I am not unrealistic enough to think the the dealer will eat all or part of it. If you get your dealer to buy into that plan, let me know I want you to call mine and sell him on the idea. JD
Now I'm not trying to start a pissing match or be an a$$hole about it but GM knows the deal long before the epa, it's not the first time for them. It should have been included as a possibility otherwise all I'm saying here it's really just not fair for them to change the price after you already committed and have no other choice.
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#12
Melting Slicks
I am not at all happy about my out the door price changing! I had no idea there would be a gas guzzler tax, but shouldn't dealers have know this was a possibility and they should have mentioned this possibility? I'm not sure, but don't think this is anything new? When I was given MSRP I asked for a total, including tax, title, fees, and was given what I was told was a firm price. I hope there are no more bad surprises!
#13
Burning Brakes
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I am not at all happy about my out the door price changing! I had no idea there would be a gas guzzler tax, but shouldn't dealers have know this was a possibility and they should have mentioned this possibility? I'm not sure, but don't think this is anything new? When I was given MSRP I asked for a total, including tax, title, fees, and was given what I was told was a firm price. I hope there are no more bad surprises!
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Burning Brakes
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That's not true. My PO shows the price of the car (MSRP) and then all taxes including an additional 1% tax because I own property in the state the dealer is located and then it shows a total and final cost which was signed be he and I. It also list that if I back out I lose my 10k. That sounds like a contact if I've ever seen one. Now I'm realistic to the fact that there must be some fine print BS protecting them and I'll check that tomorrow. If not, I'm not paying it. If so, I'll put up a good fight and expect to lose that battle but at the end of the day the GG tax is not included anywhere. This was not an estimate, it's a final purchase order that I've paid against already
GG is part of the game, deal with it.
#15
Burning Brakes
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Again not going to back out over 1300 bucks otherwise I couldn't afford the car to begin with. And yes in sure that's the option that they will provide. But you say it's all part of the game.. I didn't know about that rule. Why would I if the dealer didn't warn me about it. Normally when you have a final PO, that's pretty much it.
You sound pretty eger to thow away that GG tax money. Sure wish I had your money. Wait, I will never be ok with wasting money. Don't mind spending it thou
You sound pretty eger to thow away that GG tax money. Sure wish I had your money. Wait, I will never be ok with wasting money. Don't mind spending it thou
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Again not going to back out over 1300 bucks otherwise I couldn't afford the car to begin with. And yes in sure that's the option that they will provide. But you say it's all part of the game.. I didn't know about that rule. Why would I if the dealer didn't warn me about it. Normally when you have a final PO, that's pretty much it.
You sound pretty eger to thow away that GG tax money. Sure wish I had your money. Wait, I will never be ok with wasting money. Don't mind spending it thou
You sound pretty eger to thow away that GG tax money. Sure wish I had your money. Wait, I will never be ok with wasting money. Don't mind spending it thou
Dealers didn't know there was a gas guzzler - seeing as it was speculation all up until what last week?
It isn't some big conspiracy. They don't see a dime of it so why would they care?
#18
Burning Brakes
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Understood and I'm sure they don't. Simply saying why issue a final PO when they don't have final pricing? It would make sense that if GM allowed orders with out proper pricing, maybe they should absorb it since it's by not fault of the consumer rather GM trying to sell the car too soon
#19
Burning Brakes
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I've said how I felt about this, if you don't agree I respect that. Guess I'm just a deal's a deal kinda guy and at the end of the day it's not gonna stop me. It just rubs me the wrong way because they know know we're all going to pay it anyway
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#20
Safety Car
Not on my PO it wasn't. If it was part of MSRP they should have included it months ago when they took the order and gave me the MSRP of the car. That's the whole point here. It wasn't included. If it was or I was told about it I wouldn't care. It's the fact that they are not honoring the deal they agreed to. I understand they didn't know about it but GM knows they car has to get tested and will get hit with it. Without that final info, the MSRP or tax they listed on the contract is invalid
I've said how I felt about this, if you don't agree I respect that. Guess I'm just a deal's a deal kinda guy and at the end of the day it's not gonna stop me. It just runs me the wrong way because they know know we're all going to pay it anyway
I've said how I felt about this, if you don't agree I respect that. Guess I'm just a deal's a deal kinda guy and at the end of the day it's not gonna stop me. It just runs me the wrong way because they know know we're all going to pay it anyway
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