db2012gs

I may be somewhat new to the Corvette Forum, but I am not new to Corvettes, my first being a 69 vert. I have owned 8 so far and I am an enthusiast. I came to this forum to be among fellow enthusiasts. However I am somewhat dissapointed that very few people seem to understand the history of the car.
Starting in 1953, they set out to make a road racing capable car. In 1963, the first year for the C2, a corvette had independent rear suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, dual exhaust, etc. That's impressive for a 1963 vehicle! Why the independent rear suspension? It wasn't for drag racing!
So the simple fact is...the new Z06 is not a drag race car!!! It is a track car!!! That was what it was built for...it is purpose built, and it is very good at what it was intended to be good at.
Certainly all of you performance car enthusiasts understand the difference between a road race car and a drag car? Different suspension setup, tires, gear ratios, aerodynamics...just to name a few.
So if you set up a car to dominate on the track, it won't at the drag strip. If you set it up to dominate at the drag strip, it won't on the track. You can make a car that compromises to be good at both, but it becomes a jack of all trades and master of none, and therefore dominates in neither competition.
Lets exaggerate for a moment, take a Formula 1 car and a Funny Car...two extremes. neither can do what the other can, but both dominate in their area of purpose.
So just because they started making Corvettes with high hp and great acceleration, people started drag racing and street racing them. They are capable of fast times in a straight line, but that was never the direction the Corvette engineers have taken in the development of the car. And their purpose for the car HAS NOT changed since 1953! Do your homework and read up on the full history and development of the car. It has always been a road racing car. If you want to drag race or do roll ons on the highway, then don't complain about the performance in that area! If you get beat on the track by a lesser car, then whine and complain that GM missed the mark.
So everyone please get a grip and come to terms with the true intent and design development of the Corvette. It is truely an engineering marvel and the American icon for sports cars. The new Z06 is in no way a failure, but a success, because it WILL dominate in the area of motorsports competition it was built to do so in. It is purpose built!!!
If you want to drag race buy a Camaro, Mustang, Hellcat, etc.

harley2

HELLO!!

Jet Stream Blue Z06

with OP

dwward

A handful of non-C7 owners (probably less than 10 people) are the only ones questioning the cred of the new Z. What is causing the problem is the endless appetite in this forum to take their bait. It's troll heaven here.

I agree with everything the OP has said, but it would be nice to see an end to the defensive posts trying to talk since into the heads of people who for any number of reasons have no intention of ever buying the car.

thegeneral101

I own a C7 Z06, and agree with the OP. I'm also 27 but do research for a living and filly appreciate the heritage of the Corvette. Looking forward to how it does against the 650s and Nismo. So far it sounds like its a track monster. Where did all of the overheating after 4 lap talk go? Sounds like in real world application its doing fine around the track. Time will tell.

emericr

Thanks for the lesson in history but not sure it is that relevant related to the commotion on the Z06.
I agree there is way too much drama on the forum lately and the Z06 is not a failure.
However it is truly disappointing and disheartening that the new Z is falling behind its competition above 100mph. A newer model should not be inferior to an older version.
As pointed by another forum member Achmed who pulled some historic C&D test data and calculated 100 to 150 mph roll times for these cars:
C6ZR1: 9.1
C6Z06: 9.4
911 Turbo S: 10.0
SRT Viper: 10.2
GTR: 10.6
C7Z: 11.0
911S: 13.1

DerStig

We should make that a sticky on this forum.

euson2

You missed the whole point of the OP. Bet you have never tracked a car.

db2012gs

You still don't get it do you?
Their focus was not on dominating 100 to 150 mph acceleration. It was to post fast lap times! It's the whole package...you know...synergy. So why argue stats, unless it's lap times, otherwise it's a waste of everyone's time.
If you want to be dissapointed, then talk about weight reduction. I will agree with you on that.

ALLANB

Well don't think this matters at all on the street and not sure about the track either.
Roll racing of course is highly illegal and getting caught at 100 plus speeds is not going to be very pleasant with cars impounded probably and huge fines and all that . So much rather have a car that is quick zero to 60, quick in the 1/4 mile and while top speed is nice too not that much chance to use that much on public roads . For track use the car still seems very capable. So can live with it not being the best in the 100 to 140 mph category. And if really cared would likely do some mods to it. Warranty be damned.

DerStig

We are going to see about the track when Randy compares Z06 against Nismo and 650S.

db2012gs

Looking forward to it!
Whether it posts the fastest times or not will never change the fact that it is purpose built. I predict it will be very competitive and that's really all one can hope for. World dominance is not the goal...lol.

b4i4getit

Good post. Funny how most overlook its content.

DLC7

Its a bummer you had to explain the obvious.....but it was apparently necessary......



Good Post!

x88

This

db2012gs

Thanks, but it seems no matter what you say, some people have their own agenda and therefore hijack a thread with unrelevant and off topic info...sigh!

db2012gs

I think the key word is that another forum member CALCULATED that data...not actual data. And second, it doesn't matter if it dominates in the 100 - 150 mph acceleration if it can post better track times. We will see in due time when more ACTUAL data is available. In the interim, is too much to ask that we all like the car and give it a fair chance?

emericr

Really, looks like you have never been passed on the straights on a race track like Sebring where 100-150mph acceleration is key to passing and posting a better time...

therealviper

Of course the real weight of the Mc P1 is 3500(lied by 300 lbs) and La Ferrari 3800( lied by 700 lbs)...

So maybe a well equipped car , with all the required safety, that is not single purpose built, is going to be now 3500Lbs , even with lots of composites..

emericr

Not sure which track you race on but most of the ones where I live (Florida), acceleration past 100mph is a major factor.
If it can corner better than the competition but get caught up on the straights, how is that the whole package???