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Tadge Juechter says DO THE MATH on Z06 Nurburgring time
These captures are from "Keagan" on a Tadge Juechter Q&A session at Jalopnik
First of all let's examine what's going on here, he is on an online Q&A session at Jalopnik . He chooses which questions he wishes to answer . He ignores 90% of the questions but deliberately decides to answer a question on "ring times"
He gives his answer then SKIPS a line and says DO THE MATH, remember this is not a live interview so his answer was well thought through . He knows the ramifications, and his word is the last word on the cars performance . Guys in his position don't just "throw things out there " he WANTED us to know this he wanted this out there ...so lets do the math
He is talking about straight ratio math (that's all he can be talking about ) so the math is this
ZR1 Nurburgring time − (Nurburgring length÷VIR grand course length)×(Z07 VIR grand course time−ZR1 VIR grand course time)
7:19.63−{(12.9÷4.2)×4.3}
7:19.63−13.2 = 7:06.43
Estimated Nurburgring time .....7:06.43.....They most likely will make improvements to the car in the next 6 months so we could be looking at sub 7:06 maybe sub 7:05
C7 Z06 is NOT going to be 13-14 seconds faster around Nurburgring.
I predict 7:10 at the ring with a good run (which is pretty amazing). IMO the Z06 is virtually identical to the ZR1, but with better tires (Z07) and a bit more aero will allow it to drop ~9 seconds. Non-Z07 cars would be slower than the ZR1.
These captures are from "Keagan" on a Tadge Juechter Q&A session at Jalopnik
First of all let's examine what's going on here, he is on an online Q&A session at Jalopnik . He chooses which questions he wishes to answer . He ignores 90% of the questions but deliberately decides to answer a question on "ring times"
He gives his answer then SKIPS a line and says DO THE MATH, remember this is not a live interview so his answer was well thought through . He knows the ramifications, and his word is the last word on the cars performance . Guys in his position don't just "throw things out there " he WANTED us to know this he wanted this out there ...so lets do the math
He is talking about straight ratio math (that's all he can be talking about ) so the math is this
ZR1 Nurburgring time − (Nurburgring length÷VIR grand course length)×(Z07 VIR grand course time−ZR1 VIR grand course time)
7:19.63−{(12.9÷4.2)×4.3}
7:19.63−13.2 = 7:06.43
Estimated Nurburgring time .....7:06.43.....They most likely will make improvements to the car in the next 6 months so we could be looking at sub 7:06 maybe sub 7:05
Tadge had all spring and summer and fall of 2014 to do the "math" by actually posting a video with the time to prove the car is equal to the math, but where is the video and the time? They had the Z06 at the Ring in the Fall of 2013 when they couldn't get in a "good" lap. What happened to proving the "math" in 2014 at the Ring? Did it rain every day in 2014?
Tadge didn't have to resort to "math" to establish lap times for the C6 Z06 and ZR1; they actually did a lap at the Ring and posted the videos and times. If it only takes "math" to see how a car runs at the Ring, then why do the various car companies spend the time and money to actually run at the Ring, instead of just fingering their pocket slide rule.
Tadge had all spring and summer and fall of 2014 to do the "math" by actually posting a video with the time to prove the car is equal to the math, but where is the video and the time? They had the Z06 at the Ring in the Fall of 2013 when they couldn't get in a "good" lap. What happened to proving the "math" in 2014 at the Ring? Did it rain every day in 2014?
Tadge didn't have to resort to "math" to establish lap times for the C6 Z06 and ZR1; they actually did a lap at the Ring and posted the videos and times. If it only takes "math" to see how a car runs at the Ring, then why do the various car companies spend the time and money to actually run at the Ring, instead of just fingering their pocket slide rule.
If you bothered to read Tadge's statement, he said that they got rained out this fall and that they would try a run in the spring. And as far as fall 2013 and spring of 2014, the car was still in development. There was no production spec car to run. I think they have a good idea based on their test runs but as Tadge said, their "official" runs are non segmented and they post the video on the Internet.
And you know this because you have actually tracked a C7Z. Right? Tell us, how much seat time do you have behind the C7Z?
It's because the increase from VIR to Ring will not be linear. VIR has a lot of corners where Z06 shines and a lot less straights for ZR1 to close up that gap. Ring is completely opposite, it's full of straights for ZR1 to increase the gap.
If you bothered to read Tadge's statement, he said that they got rained out this fall and that they would try a run in the spring. And as far as fall 2013 and spring of 2014, the car was still in development. There was no production spec car to run. I think they have a good idea based on their test runs but as Tadge said, their "official" runs are non segmented and they post the video on the Internet.
Do you have a life outside of hating on the C7Z?
I have to apologize. I was getting the fall 2013 run at the Ring with the 2014 Stingray confused with the fall 2014 run at the Ring with the Z06.
GM never posted a video or time of the Stingray(and they had all of 2104 to do it) at the Ring, and that was what had got stuck in my mind.
It's because the increase from VIR to Ring will not be linear. VIR has a lot of corners where Z06 shines and a lot less straights for ZR1 to close up that gap. Ring is completely opposite, it's full of straights for ZR1 to increase the gap.
No, my point is that no one cannot definitively say what the C7Z cannot achieve at the Nurburgring. Until GM makes a clean run, everything is just speculation.
No, my point is that no one cannot definitively say what the C7Z cannot achieve at the Nurburgring. Until GM makes a clean run, everything is just speculation.
But speculating at what it can do is okay?
This is what drives me insane, someone makes a completely ridiculous claim about the cars performance before there is anything to support it. It's just setting up for another disappointment. Stop hyping it up so much. If it isn't 15 seconds faster (which I highly suspect it won't be), is the internet going to explode again?
I'm not hating on the car, I'm just being realistic. I happen to like it, but this is getting ridiculous.
The 'Ring is completely different than VIR. Comparing the lap of one to extrapolate the lap on the other is preposterous.
Preposterous as it may be, Tadge said to!
However, there is more than one way to do the math. Another way is to apply the ratio of the two car's times.
VIR times:
Z06: 2:41.3
ZR1: 2:45.63
Ratio:
97.39%
ZR1 Nurburgring time:
7:19.63
Projected Z06 time based on ratio above:
7:08.13
Unfortunately the two runs at VIR were not done on the same surface. Applying a typical 2 second per lap disadvantage to the Z06 turns the Z06 Nurburgring lap into:
7:13.44
The other thing that is harder to correct for is the aero advantage of the Z06 in the corners vs. the ZR1s high speed aero advantage. Since there is no data there I can't see a good way to adjust for it so everyone can make their own guesses. One thing to keep in mind though is that the C6 Z06 was proportionally slower around VIR than the Nurburgring compared to the ZR1. It is possible that the aero on the C7 Z06 won't hurt its Nurburgring time compared to the ZR1 like some people think, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a good run in the new Z06 come in under 7:10.
However, there is more than one way to do the math. Another way is to apply the ratio of the two car's times.
VIR times:
Z06: 2:41.3
ZR1: 2:45.63
Ratio:
97.39%
ZR1 Nurburgring time:
7:19.63
Projected Z06 time based on ratio above:
7:08.13
Unfortunately the two runs at VIR were not done on the same surface. Applying a typical 2 second per lap disadvantage to the Z06 turns the Z06 Nurburgring lap into:
7:13.44
The other thing that is harder to correct for is the aero advantage of the Z06 in the corners vs. the ZR1s high speed aero advantage. Since there is no data there I can't see a good way to adjust for it so everyone can make their own guesses. One thing to keep in mind though is that the C6 Z06 was proportionally slower around VIR than the Nurburgring compared to the ZR1. It is possible that the aero on the C7 Z06 won't hurt its Nurburgring time compared to the ZR1 like some people think, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a good run in the new Z06 come in under 7:10.
01-14-2015, 11:44 PM
Tadge Juechter says DO THE MATH on Z06 Nurburgring time
