View Poll Results: Would you have bought a Z06 knowing what we now know about overheating?
Yes. I can live with it. Still love the car.
78
66.67%
No. I would rather have a more track capable car.
39
33.33%
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Would you have spent your money differently if you knew about track overheating?
04-27-2015, 12:03 PM
#1
Would you have spent your money differently if you knew about track overheating?
This is a question for people who track their Z06.
I think you would agree that the car is a modern engineering marvel and absolutely brilliant on the street.
I am guessing that most people who track their cars still use them primarily on the street, but now that you know that the Z06 has a significant issue with overheating on the track...
Would you have made a different decision?
On average, this was a $100,000 decision.
Would you have still bought a Z06?
I realize that this is not scientific, so please add comments so we know that you are not a 14 year-old troll or someone who never tracks their cars anyway. :-)
I think you would agree that the car is a modern engineering marvel and absolutely brilliant on the street.
I am guessing that most people who track their cars still use them primarily on the street, but now that you know that the Z06 has a significant issue with overheating on the track...
Would you have made a different decision?
On average, this was a $100,000 decision.
Would you have still bought a Z06?
I realize that this is not scientific, so please add comments so we know that you are not a 14 year-old troll or someone who never tracks their cars anyway. :-)
Last edited by DaveN007; 04-27-2015 at 12:06 PM.
04-27-2015, 12:53 PM
#4
I would not have. my boss 302 did not overheat at the track. At Daytona, i never pushed it flat out on the banks and used that to cool off before getting back into the infield so I did not overheat there, but it was close at 292 with doing that.
Im not the greatest driver, i admit, but I wanted a car I wouldnt have to worry about on the track like this. Had I known, a 911 or GTR may have been my choice, Heck maybe even a viper.
That said im surprised that we dont have many aftermarket options yet. Ive seen one upgraded radiator, but why not a standalone oil cooler, as the issue seems to be mostly with the oil.
Im not the greatest driver, i admit, but I wanted a car I wouldnt have to worry about on the track like this. Had I known, a 911 or GTR may have been my choice, Heck maybe even a viper.
That said im surprised that we dont have many aftermarket options yet. Ive seen one upgraded radiator, but why not a standalone oil cooler, as the issue seems to be mostly with the oil.
04-27-2015, 12:55 PM
#5
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I could care less about road courses or whatever they are called. Will buy a Z06 once they are discounted significantly or a late model used regardless of whether the so called "track" issues are dealt with. I really wonder what % of Corvette or Porsche owners actually track their cars and I don't mean a trip to the 1/4 miles digs once in a while. I'll bet it is so small that it really isn't worth talking about.
04-27-2015, 12:55 PM
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04-27-2015, 12:56 PM
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04-27-2015, 12:58 PM
#8
I could care less about road courses or whatever they are called. Will buy a Z06 once they are discounted significantly or a late model used regardless of whether the so called "track" issues are dealt with. I really wonder what % of Corvette or Porsche owners actually track their cars and I don't mean a trip to the 1/4 miles digs once in a while. I'll bet it is so small that it really isn't worth talking about.
its enough to where this issue should matter to the manufacturer. Especially considering the issue is not prevalent with its competition.
04-27-2015, 01:03 PM
#9
Im waiting to see what the after market will do in terms of Radiators and Oil Coolers.
My C6 Z06 overheated with my driving and required Dewitts Radiator and Breathless race oil coolers. After that I could run a full 30mins at 100% in 100 temps with no problems.
So far im holding off my purchase to 2016 to see what happens.
My C6 Z06 overheated with my driving and required Dewitts Radiator and Breathless race oil coolers. After that I could run a full 30mins at 100% in 100 temps with no problems.
So far im holding off my purchase to 2016 to see what happens.
04-27-2015, 01:04 PM
#10
I could care less about road courses or whatever they are called. Will buy a Z06 once they are discounted significantly or a late model used regardless of whether the so called "track" issues are dealt with. I really wonder what % of Corvette or Porsche owners actually track their cars and I don't mean a trip to the 1/4 miles digs once in a while. I'll bet it is so small that it really isn't worth talking about.
GM seemed to think it was important to advertise the car as the "Most Track Capable Corvette Ever".
For people who track their cars, this is an issue.
Hopefully there will be a fix.
Last edited by DaveN007; 04-27-2015 at 01:07 PM.
04-27-2015, 01:22 PM
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When I sold my M3, I was willing to drive my winter beater till the Z06 was available in Canada. But the overheating issues made me buy something else.
The poll needs an option of waiting until GM fixes the problem.
The poll needs an option of waiting until GM fixes the problem.
04-27-2015, 01:30 PM
#14
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04-27-2015, 01:32 PM
#15
At the very least the z07 package should have come with an additional cooler as this is the more track option. Heck even the C7R option for 2016 doesnt do anything for cooling.
04-27-2015, 02:14 PM
#17
I'm disappointed, but I agree with Bishman: I will reserve judgment to see how GM responds.
A more robust cooling solution, even if they pass the (unmarked-up) cost along to us, would be OK if 100K warranty is left intact.
At a minimum, GM should tweak the software to have a mode where the car will proactively manage maximum throttle and/or timing and/or RPMs to avoid overheating. Much like a laptop will throttle back clock speed to avoid busting thermal limits.
This is in contrast to status quo where it seems to go ***** out until it hits the wall.
Even with this thermally-limited-in-summertime power, the Z06 would probably spank most everything you'd encounter on the track, so it's not clear that there is a better value out there even versus a hamstrung Z06-- especially if you acknowledge that even a tracked Z06 will spend most of its time on the street.
A more robust cooling solution, even if they pass the (unmarked-up) cost along to us, would be OK if 100K warranty is left intact.
At a minimum, GM should tweak the software to have a mode where the car will proactively manage maximum throttle and/or timing and/or RPMs to avoid overheating. Much like a laptop will throttle back clock speed to avoid busting thermal limits.
This is in contrast to status quo where it seems to go ***** out until it hits the wall.
Even with this thermally-limited-in-summertime power, the Z06 would probably spank most everything you'd encounter on the track, so it's not clear that there is a better value out there even versus a hamstrung Z06-- especially if you acknowledge that even a tracked Z06 will spend most of its time on the street.
04-27-2015, 02:36 PM
#18
I'm disappointed, but I agree with Bishman: I will reserve judgment to see how GM responds.
A more robust cooling solution, even if they pass the (unmarked-up) cost along to us, would be OK if 100K warranty is left intact.
At a minimum, GM should tweak the software to have a mode where the car will proactively manage maximum throttle and/or timing and/or RPMs to avoid overheating. Much like a laptop will throttle back clock speed to avoid busting thermal limits.
This is in contrast to status quo where it seems to go ***** out until it hits the wall.
Even with this thermally-limited-in-summertime power, the Z06 would probably spank most everything you'd encounter on the track, so it's not clear that there is a better value out there even versus a hamstrung Z06-- especially if you acknowledge that even a tracked Z06 will spend most of its time on the street.
A more robust cooling solution, even if they pass the (unmarked-up) cost along to us, would be OK if 100K warranty is left intact.
At a minimum, GM should tweak the software to have a mode where the car will proactively manage maximum throttle and/or timing and/or RPMs to avoid overheating. Much like a laptop will throttle back clock speed to avoid busting thermal limits.
This is in contrast to status quo where it seems to go ***** out until it hits the wall.
Even with this thermally-limited-in-summertime power, the Z06 would probably spank most everything you'd encounter on the track, so it's not clear that there is a better value out there even versus a hamstrung Z06-- especially if you acknowledge that even a tracked Z06 will spend most of its time on the street.
04-27-2015, 02:44 PM
#19
Again, this would be a fallback solution. Real solution is to add cooling hardware. But, in any case, the car should have a mode where I can flog it mercilessly and it will not overheat (even if that means preemptively pulling power when temps climbing fast). I suspect many would be happier with this mode versus having to manually manage temps and/or get 100% performance followed quickly by limp mode and pitting.
04-27-2015, 03:22 PM
#20
I'm disappointed, but I agree with Bishman: I will reserve judgment to see how GM responds.
A more robust cooling solution, even if they pass the (unmarked-up) cost along to us, would be OK if 100K warranty is left intact.
At a minimum, GM should tweak the software to have a mode where the car will proactively manage maximum throttle and/or timing and/or RPMs to avoid overheating. Much like a laptop will throttle back clock speed to avoid busting thermal limits.
This is in contrast to status quo where it seems to go ***** out until it hits the wall.
Even with this thermally-limited-in-summertime power, the Z06 would probably spank most everything you'd encounter on the track, so it's not clear that there is a better value out there even versus a hamstrung Z06-- especially if you acknowledge that even a tracked Z06 will spend most of its time on the street.
A more robust cooling solution, even if they pass the (unmarked-up) cost along to us, would be OK if 100K warranty is left intact.
At a minimum, GM should tweak the software to have a mode where the car will proactively manage maximum throttle and/or timing and/or RPMs to avoid overheating. Much like a laptop will throttle back clock speed to avoid busting thermal limits.
This is in contrast to status quo where it seems to go ***** out until it hits the wall.
Even with this thermally-limited-in-summertime power, the Z06 would probably spank most everything you'd encounter on the track, so it's not clear that there is a better value out there even versus a hamstrung Z06-- especially if you acknowledge that even a tracked Z06 will spend most of its time on the street.
As a business decision, I have no issue with not warrantying a car modified for the track. I wouldn't but I also wouldn't market it as the most track capable Corvette ever. It's not capable of much sitting in the paddock with 2 bags of ice sitting on the SC hoping it cools before your next session.
Full disclosure: I have not bought the new Z06. Always planned to wait to see how the SC worked on the track. Now I know I won't or at least 90%+ sure I won't. SC cars do not have a good record containing overheating on road courses so it does not come as a huge surprise the Z06 has had some problems. I am even more convinced with the insulting naming of the C7.R version, that GM will not fix the problem. Coincidentally, just this morning I priced a Z51 C7 replacement for my GS: $69.6k. Better to lose the warranty on $70k car than one close to $100k.