C7 Z06 Discussion General Z06 Corvette Discussion, LT4 Corvette Technical Info, Performance Upgrades, Suspension Setup for Street or Track
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: GEM Motorsports

Time for a C7 ZR1 section?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-06-2015, 09:08 AM
  #21  
keagan
Melting Slicks
 
keagan's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,288
Received 876 Likes on 447 Posts

Default

Some guys are still waiting on their Z06. lol! No need for that thread as yet.
keagan is offline  
Old 05-06-2015, 09:23 AM
  #22  
Crabbers
Le Mans Master
 
Crabbers's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2014
Location: Over there
Posts: 7,474
Likes: 0
Received 116 Likes on 79 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1
Debatable!

I don't even get why people care, given the near perfect weight balance already. I'd want AWD far, far before I'd want rear engine or med engine.

(Technically, if the middle of the frontmost cylinder is behind the a-arm centerpoint, it's a mid-engine anyway!)


If it is ever coming, then we are closer to it happening than we were 50 years ago for the simple fact that it's 50 years closer. It's just a joke. I'm in the skeptic camp. I highly doubt it'll be out next year (I'll go so far as to guarantee it).





And as it's been pointed out. Corvettes have been mid-engined for a while now. I don't think people know what mid-engined actually means

Originally Posted by Wiki

The term "mid-engine" has usually been applied to cars having the engine located between the driver and the rear drive axles. This layout is referred to here as RMR layout. Sports and racing cars typically have this mid-engine layout, as these vehicles' handling characteristics are more important than other features, such as capacity. Additionally the mechanical layout and packaging of a RMR car is substantially different from that of a front engine or rear engine car.

A subset of Front-Rear when the engine is in front of the driver, but fully behind the front axle line, the layout is sometimes called Front Mid engine Rear FMR layout instead of the less-specific term front-engine. In handling and vehicle layout FMR is substantially the same as FR. Some vehicles could be classified as FR or FMR depending on the factory installed engine (I4 vs I6). Historically most classical FR cars such as the Ford Models T and A would qualify as a FMR engine car. Additionally, the difference between FR and FMR may be as little as a few millimeters of engine protrusion in front of the front axle line as manufacturers mount engine as far back in the chassis as possible. Not all manufacturers use the Front-Mid designation.

FMR layout – Front Mid-engine / Rear-wheel drive

These cars are RWD cars with engine placed between driver and front axle. However, due to the difference being fairly minor, these cars are referred to as FR cars instead.

Lotus Elan (first generation)
Chevrolet Corvette (second through seventh generations)
Bill Thomas Cheetah (used only one universal joint between transmission tailshaft housing and differential housing)
Dodge/SRT Viper
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano and 612 Scaglietti
Honda S2000
Lexus LFA
Mazda RX-7, MX-5 and RX-8
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren and SLS AMG
Opel GT
Toyota Previa and 2000GT
To be fair, I do understand what they mean though. A car with an engine behind the driver. And I'll give the same answer: No, if you think there will be one in 2016 you're going to be disappointed.

Last edited by Crabbers; 05-06-2015 at 09:32 AM.
Crabbers is offline  
Old 05-06-2015, 12:01 PM
  #23  
range96
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
 
range96's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2010
Location: Lancaster, PA
Posts: 5,630
Received 1,974 Likes on 1,215 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by redzone
Because a mid-engine will always have a much better moment of inertia, regardless of 50-50 weight distribution. I'd suggest driving a mid-engine car, then reporting back.
I agree. 50-50 weight distribution is NOT the same as having the mass in the middle. Actually, rear weight biased cars will launch better.

AWD adds weight. It can also be a challenge to package in a front engine configuration.

I don't think the mid-engine Corvette was called a Cadillac. It was very much still a Corvette.

Since I don't have unlimited funds, my deposit will have to wait until the numbers are published.
range96 is offline  
Old 05-06-2015, 12:47 PM
  #24  
SteveTheCorvette
Advanced
 
SteveTheCorvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2014
Location: Milwaukee WI
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I think one of the biggest gains in making it mid engine would be the ability to shave some drivetrain weight (you wouldn't have to "ship" the power across the whole car.) If we were going to get really speculative, I'd say an all wheel drive hybrid (front wheels electric driven, rear wheels V8 driven) would be where the corvette should head.

As far whether this car should actually be called a "corvette", you could debate that all day. I'd be a fan of just calling it the "Zora" the "corvette" badge could just be implied.
SteveTheCorvette is offline  
Old 05-06-2015, 01:03 PM
  #25  
JustinStrife
Team Owner
 
JustinStrife's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 27,567
Received 96 Likes on 66 Posts

Default

AWD Corvette is going to push 3800 lbs.

I dont see either one happening for awhile...
JustinStrife is offline  
Old 05-06-2015, 05:09 PM
  #26  
C6Z06C6
Burning Brakes
 
C6Z06C6's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 774
Received 68 Likes on 50 Posts

Default

The new ZR1 will have a supercharged 427. Can't wait.
C6Z06C6 is offline  
Old 05-06-2015, 06:24 PM
  #27  
KraZ
Pro
 
KraZ's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2005
Posts: 506
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

I don't care where they put the engine, as long as I can stall the converter, mash the pedal and not be concerned at the least about tire spin.
KraZ is offline  
Old 05-06-2015, 08:47 PM
  #28  
RC000E
Le Mans Master
 
RC000E's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2009
Location: My interests are mobile
Posts: 6,937
Received 346 Likes on 208 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1
Debatable!

I don't even get why people care, given the near perfect weight balance already. I'd want AWD far, far before I'd want rear engine or med engine.

(Technically, if the middle of the frontmost cylinder is behind the a-arm centerpoint, it's a mid-engine anyway!)
Static weight distribution really isn't the equation for excellent handling...simply saying a car has 50/50 weight distribution doesn't mean much. There are factors of where the location of the center of gravity is, versus the center of pressure. Mid engine cars, locating and compacting all their weight very close to the driver have many advantages...consider polar moment of inertia, not to mention the tremendous cooling advantages they have. With a front engine car, all the air you need to cool the car gets trapped and has to exit around a passenger cabin...this creates huge aerodynamic challenges (as well as cooling). With a mid engine car, air can enter from all around the body, cool various systems and exit the rear AND be an aerodynamic advantage all at the same time. F1 cars, for example, have approx a 60% rear weight bias as well.
RC000E is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 10:32 AM
  #29  
tbrenny33
Burning Brakes
 
tbrenny33's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2013
Location: Seattle WA
Posts: 904
Received 62 Likes on 55 Posts

Default

[QUOTE=SteveTheCorvette;1589574335]I think one of the biggest gains in making it mid engine would be the ability to shave some drivetrain weight (you wouldn't have to "ship" the power across the whole car.) If we were going to get really speculative, I'd say an all wheel drive hybrid (front wheels electric driven, rear wheels V8 driven) would be where the corvette should head. [qoute]

That's exactly what I was thinking. And electric engine to drive the front for excellent watching and a 700 Hp engine. I would guess to combat weight most the car would probably be made of carbon fiber. I bet they could build and the weight would be around 3600
tbrenny33 is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 10:37 AM
  #30  
TBIRD57
Race Director
 
TBIRD57's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Posts: 15,753
Received 235 Likes on 178 Posts

Default finally!

Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1
Debatable!

I don't even get why people care, given the near perfect weight balance already. I'd want AWD far, far before I'd want rear engine or med engine.

(Technically, if the middle of the frontmost cylinder is behind the a-arm centerpoint, it's a mid-engine anyway!)
someone else who would like an awd option--sadly we are the 1%.
TBIRD57 is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 11:17 AM
  #31  
range96
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
 
range96's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2010
Location: Lancaster, PA
Posts: 5,630
Received 1,974 Likes on 1,215 Posts

Default

[QUOTE=tbrenny33;1589588140]
Originally Posted by SteveTheCorvette
I think one of the biggest gains in making it mid engine would be the ability to shave some drivetrain weight (you wouldn't have to "ship" the power across the whole car.) If we were going to get really speculative, I'd say an all wheel drive hybrid (front wheels electric driven, rear wheels V8 driven) would be where the corvette should head. [qoute]

That's exactly what I was thinking. And electric engine to drive the front for excellent watching and a 700 Hp engine. I would guess to combat weight most the car would probably be made of carbon fiber. I bet they could build and the weight would be around 3600
Don't forget about the batteries to drive those electric motors...
range96 is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 11:19 AM
  #32  
range96
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
 
range96's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2010
Location: Lancaster, PA
Posts: 5,630
Received 1,974 Likes on 1,215 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by TBIRD57
someone else who would like an awd option--sadly we are the 1%.
Look at Porsche. The AWD turbo is slower on the track than a well prepped GT3.
range96 is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 12:25 PM
  #33  
Lavender
Melting Slicks
 
Lavender's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,732
Received 320 Likes on 172 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by range96
Look at Porsche. The AWD turbo is slower on the track than a well prepped GT3.
On equal tires it is not.
Lavender is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 08:23 PM
  #34  
vegasredz062
Melting Slicks
 
vegasredz062's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: LAS VEGAS NV
Posts: 3,001
Likes: 0
Received 106 Likes on 53 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

mid engine vette with AWD? hmmm somehow i think maybe Mid engine.. doubt they new AWD with engine on rear tires.. just look at the mclaren..
vegasredz062 is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 09:42 PM
  #35  
BigNastyZO7
Burning Brakes
 
BigNastyZO7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2009
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 1,176
Received 69 Likes on 48 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by C6Z06C6
The new ZR1 will have a supercharged 427. Can't wait.
You 100% have NO CLUE what your talking about! You have no proof, no brains, and no common sense about cars. Please throw out your keyboard
BigNastyZO7 is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 10:11 PM
  #36  
Deathfly7
Advanced
 
Deathfly7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2015
Posts: 97
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
You 100% have NO CLUE what your talking about! You have no proof, no brains, and no common sense about cars. Please throw out your keyboard
Says the guy that lies about 1/4 mile times and says his stock z06 hangs with a zx10r............................
Deathfly7 is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 10:27 PM
  #37  
BigNastyZO7
Burning Brakes
 
BigNastyZO7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2009
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 1,176
Received 69 Likes on 48 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Deathfly7
Says the guy that lies about 1/4 mile times and says his stock z06 hangs with a zx10r............................
You not believing the car didn't go that fast is a compliment... So Thank you, but its true. Where are your videos? Do you even have a corvette or just a cheerleader?
BigNastyZO7 is offline  
Old 05-08-2015, 10:45 PM
  #38  
Steve Garrett
Team Owner
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Steve Garrett's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
Posts: 25,362
Received 7,752 Likes on 4,181 Posts
CORVETTE TODAY Host
St. Jude Donor'15

Default

We're done here.



Seriously, if you guys cannot learn how to have a conversation without pissing on each other and calling each other names, we'll just ban the entire lot of you and have done with it.



Guys, grow up and act your age.






THREAD CLOSED.
Steve Garrett is offline  



Quick Reply: Time for a C7 ZR1 section?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:22 AM.