zland

I just happened to read a link explaining the wonders of the 2016 Camaro. As you read through the "11 things to know about the new Camaro", #10 states ,,,,, The SS model is "track capable" In anticipation of expected hard driving, the Camaro SS is rated as track capable. That means that it can run for an entire tank of fuel at maximum speed around GM's Milford Road Course without cooking its engine, transmission, differential, or brakes. That's why it has so many radiators (3).

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...maro/?slide=10


Here is my beef; why engineer the SS model to run an entire tank of gas without limitations to performance (or does running a full tank without cooking the engine mean it is in limp mode) and at the same time, have the Z06 go into various limp modes while being the Corvette historically design with track performance? Am I missing anything here?

PS: Although I do not own a new Z06, it is the car I am most fond of and at the same time disappointed in regarding the issues above. Most of the time I don't log in the forum but tend to read the forum 4-5 days a week, 90% regarding the Z06. I am retired, sold my C6 to live overseas, will never give up my joyful life surfing in Bali to own a new Z06 but sure love the car. So please do not waste your time thinking my goal is to insult owners or try to slam the car. Like many of you, I just hope GM can figure out how to get this heating issue in check for those that bought a Z06 for optimal track performance.

SBC_and_a_stick

Look at that. GM is upping its game. It makes some of the Corvette cooling systems look like a dinosaur. This new Camaro is going to be the first cool running GM V8 ever.

CPhelps

I wouldn't be so quick to assume the Camaro will perform that much better.

This is what Tadge said about the Z06, which sounds pretty similar:
Note that the Camaro info doesn't give a max temp rating, leaving it free to be the same 86F target.

It appears the Z06 went through the same "full tank of fuel" and 24 hr validation tests. Ideally the feedback from the C7 & Z06 launch, and the likelihood that the Camaro has more room for coolers (it has 3 radiators) than the C7 will mean it has better heat management, but it may not. The former Z/28 did pretty well though, so I guess we'll see.

soulsea

Less HP, naturally aspirated, a lot more room in engine bay.

But yes it makes little sense to have a Camaro SS hold up on track better than a Z06. That said we've fallen for the 'track capable' schtick before ... so let's see a few people run them.

rsalco

Boosted or NA, it's the HP that creates heat and heat is heat. Less HP in the Camaro will produce less heat and therefore less heat management issues. But let's not forget that the NA C6Z06 also ran hot in stock form when driven aggressively on track by experienced drivers . Most owners seriously into tracking upgraded the stock cooling systems to race ones. It was, and is, the no. 1 recommended mod by the major race prep shops such as Phoenix Performance.

SBC_and_a_stick

I've learned that you can't rely on GM's marketing for information purposes. It's just something that owners can regurgitate to friends...

The standard transmission cooler on the new Camaro is proof that GM can no longer ignore cooling needs. First two years of auto Stingray buyers got screwed, period.

Auxiliary radiators are what the competition uses, GM is barely catching up. We're likely to see these in a future Corvette. I'm not holding my breath for backwards compatibility. Looks like some of us first buyers will need to trade in soon.

I find this new GM attention to cooling a welcomed change. It's going to be painful getting passed by Camaros while short shifting to stay cool but at least there is hope in the future.

Busa Dave

GM just loves to play the game with the typical emotional male buyer! If you do not know that after the team in GM legal gets finished with the release that is going out under Tadge or whoever else it has been made "suit proof"!!

Hey don't be mad at me for just pointing out what is going on.. BTW love my Z06 now that the oil in the SC is fixed.

OnPoint

I also saw they are planning to put the LS7 in the Z28 model forthcoming on the new platform.

Wish they'd put that mill into the C7.

jvp

Further, take a close look at the wall that is the front end of the Camaro vs that of the Corvette. The Camaro's radiator basically sits completely upright, like a pickup truck's does. Unless folks want the nose of the Corvette to be as tall as the Camaro's, getting that kind of surface area just isn't going to happen.

SBC_and_a_stick

Note the side grilles flanking the main radiator opening for the V8 model. This is what we need for the 'Vette. The Camaro likely cools better than the C7 Vette even with a single radiator true, due to a larger radiator and more airflow. Which makes the 2016's cooling upgrade that much more purposeful. This is clear intent on the part of GM to set new standards for cooling.

sam90lx

Wish I knew if the Z-28 guys were having the 427 head issues?

four0nefive

I don't think they are. I believe GM actually changed the heads on the Z28 LS7's, which is probably why they make a tad bit more torque. The only Z28 with a blown up motor that I know of is a friend of mine's buddy who had a Whipple blower on it and drove it pretty hard w/o breaking it in properly.

CPhelps

That was sort of my point. The only cooling info we have on Camaro as per provided by the OP was also marketing claims that sound like the track test regimin was similar to what C7 had. I'm optimistic that with 3 radiators and more space the Alpha Camaro will have good cooling, but currently we just have marketing statements that sound comparable to what was said about C7.

The LS7 is being used in the current Z/28. Nothing about a Z/28 on the 6th gen platform is known, but I wouldn't hold my breath for a Gen IV engine...There was a rumor that an ATS-V+ would get an LS7, but GM denied it and I'm not holding my breath for that one either...

Per Car and Driver this is what changed on the Z/28's LS7:
The Z/28's port-injected LS7 V-8 is fortified with new pistons and titanium connecting rods whose bearing inserts are now spray-coated for improved durability. There are also a cold-air intake, revised exhaust headers, and a repackaged dry-sump oiling system

OnPoint

Yeah, I don't know if they are or not. I haven't followed the issue on any Z-28 board.

Would be interesting to know if Linamar is still the outfit that machines the heads for the LS7.

OnPoint

I know it's in the current/outgoing model. In one of my recently received car rags they talked about the rumor of the LS7 landing in the ATS-V and reported GM kyboshed that but indicated it may land in the all-new Z-28 on the new platform.

Since I read it in a car rag, I'll take it with the appropriate grain of salt.

If they do drop it in a new Z-28, tho, it would beg the question of why not in the C7.

RazorZ06

No Head issue with my Z/28, ran it hard on the track. Zero problems no overheating either. Great car.

BLKTA

According to a press release the new Camaro was tested on 8 different tracks around the world including the Autobahn. It will also have a catch can from the factory. So there is some different re-engineering going on the Camaro. The latest rumor is the LS7 will survive in the new Camaro, but I would be surprised (but happy) if that were true.

Higgs Boson

newer cars are better than older cars.

C7Z is old news already.

All hail teh 2016 camaro!

CPhelps

I hadn't heard that one yet. I'll believe it when I see it, but it would be cool.

mirage2991

Time to move this to the "other car" section…

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