PowerStop Z26 vs Carbotech 1521 Brake Dust
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It is always a bit intimidating on a new car, but they really made these easy. Calipers stay right on the car. Just be sure to have a small enough punch to pop the pins out. And watch how you remove the clip so install it back the same way. You likely won't have to depress the pistons. I didn't.
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Most reviews I've seen around the web show consistent ratings of between 4 and 5 stars out of 5 stars. The following is some information I found about Power Stop brake pads and products (The graphs referenced in the information were not on the website where I found this information.)
Power Stop — Innovation & Research
Power Stop
Power Stop Extreme Performance Brake Rotors & Pads were first introduced in California in 1997. Over the years, Power Stop has earned a reputation for high quality by assuring tight tolerances and the best materials. Their mission is to provide the best solution for your vehicle's braking problem. Power Stop uses extensive testing to develop the best rotor and pad combination for your vehicle and driving style.
Today, Power Stop is more committed to new product development and innovation than ever before. Their demanding criteria mandates high pad bite without high temperature fade or pedal pressure deterioration. They use independent dynamometer testing to validate brake performance including pre-burnish (green) friction, high temperature brake fade, pedal pressure sensitivity, speed sensitivity and noise.
A limited range of brake rotor applications are manufactured in Power Stop's US-based facility with a larger percentage manufactured to Power Stop's specifications, blueprints and processes developed over years of experience by their manufacturing partners overseas. Each rotor is carefully analyzed for the best drill or slot pattern and modeled with CAD software.
Power Stop stands behind their brake rotors with a unique 3-year / 36,000 miles warranty against cracking (when combined with Power Stop Brake Pads purchased and installed together).
The Science Behind the Power Stop Solution:
• High carbon rotors improve temperature stability and heat transfer – Power Stop uses the finest blanks featuring G3000-grade castings from the best foundries in the world. Most foundries lower carbon to increase tensile strength and hardness. Power Stop rotors have a carbon content that is 3% more than competitive brands while maintaining 210 Brinell hardness and 250 MPa tensile strength. The microstructure is an ideal homogenous matrix of perlitic and graphite flakes.
• Castings are made from primary scrap and charcoal pig-iron without residual contamination from secondary scrap metals – Some foundries dump scrap in the material with residual elements such as Niobium, Vanadium, Molybdenum, Titanium and Tungsten. These residual materials cause the formation of uncontrolled carbides in the microstructure that weaken the casting.
• Precise machining – Power Stop rotors are carefully machined to prevent stress risers, and they are guaranteed not to crack for 3 years / 36,000 miles when combined with Power Stop brake pads purchased and installed together. (See Power Stop's Warranty for more details.) All products conform to OE dimensions for a perfect fit every time.
• Fade resistant friction – Power Stop Brake Pads are specifically engineered to hold a high coefficient of friction above 1000°. Where other pads show brake fade, Power Stop consistently delivers superior brake power verified via independent test results comparing brake performance with other leading brands. Power Stop Brake Pads deliver up to 35% more pad bite and longer pad life.
• Posi-mold brake pads – Power Stop brake pads use positive mold technology. Posi-mold pads enable consistent density as the material is hot pressed at over 6,000 psi. The result is consistent performance and low noise. All pads are asbestos-free.
• Zinc-dichromate plating – Power Stop's plating resists rust and keeps the rotors looking new. Some competitors use cadmium plating which is highly toxic and a potential cancer risk. Cadmium is banned in Europe and with all major vehicle manufacturers.
Power Stop Brake Pads Technical Data
Power Stop Premium Brakes
Brake performance can vary greatly with different brands. Some aftermarket pads lose over 50% of the pad bite at high temperature or at high speeds. Over the past 15 years, Power Stop has developed the best performing brake pads in the business.
Power Stop pads are used by premier installer shops throughout North America. They have earned a reputation for OE-quality friction and great stopping power, low dust, and noise-free.
Power Stop validates friction performance using stringent SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) tests run by independent test labs. The following data shows braking power, noise and wear results for Power Stop Evolution Ceramic compared with some popular aftermarket brands.
Noise Test Results using SAE J2521
Brake noise is caused by pad vibration. Power Stop pads feature dual layer rubber shims to dampen vibration and eliminate noise.
Brake squeal can also occur if the backing plate is loose on the caliper guides. Power Stop uses precision stamped backing plates to assure good fitment to the caliper.
This graph shows the number of noisy stops for various aftermarket brands on a Chevy Tahoe. Compared to other brake pads, Power Stop pads are exceptionally quiet. Some “premium” aftermarket pads produce annoying brake squeal one out of every four stops.
The bottom line: Power Stop pads have OE-level noise performance.
Stopping Power
Brake performance is measured by mu, the coefficient of friction. Brake pads typically lose pad bite at high brake temperature or at high speed. This loss of stopping power is called brake fade.
The next graph shows the minimum mu (pad bite) for some popular aftermarket brands. The higher the mu the more pad bite.
The graph shows that Power Stop Evolution Ceramic Pads have significantly better pad bite and shorter stopping distance.
The OE friction coefficient is normally above 0.30 even at 1500°. Power Stop’s minimum mu is 0.34. Some aftermarket brands lose more than 50% of the pad bite with mu around 0.15.
The bottom line: Power Stop has close to OE-level performance for safer, faster stops.
Pad Wear
The following chart shows pad wear during the ISO NWI 26867 test on a Chevy Tahoe.
One brand lost 42% of the pad thickness. Most pads average about 10%–13% wear during the test.
The bottom line: Power Stop pads have better than average wear characteristics.
Power Stop
Power Stop Extreme Performance Brake Rotors & Pads were first introduced in California in 1997. Over the years, Power Stop has earned a reputation for high quality by assuring tight tolerances and the best materials. Their mission is to provide the best solution for your vehicle's braking problem. Power Stop uses extensive testing to develop the best rotor and pad combination for your vehicle and driving style.
Today, Power Stop is more committed to new product development and innovation than ever before. Their demanding criteria mandates high pad bite without high temperature fade or pedal pressure deterioration. They use independent dynamometer testing to validate brake performance including pre-burnish (green) friction, high temperature brake fade, pedal pressure sensitivity, speed sensitivity and noise.
A limited range of brake rotor applications are manufactured in Power Stop's US-based facility with a larger percentage manufactured to Power Stop's specifications, blueprints and processes developed over years of experience by their manufacturing partners overseas. Each rotor is carefully analyzed for the best drill or slot pattern and modeled with CAD software.
Power Stop stands behind their brake rotors with a unique 3-year / 36,000 miles warranty against cracking (when combined with Power Stop Brake Pads purchased and installed together).
The Science Behind the Power Stop Solution:
• High carbon rotors improve temperature stability and heat transfer – Power Stop uses the finest blanks featuring G3000-grade castings from the best foundries in the world. Most foundries lower carbon to increase tensile strength and hardness. Power Stop rotors have a carbon content that is 3% more than competitive brands while maintaining 210 Brinell hardness and 250 MPa tensile strength. The microstructure is an ideal homogenous matrix of perlitic and graphite flakes.
• Castings are made from primary scrap and charcoal pig-iron without residual contamination from secondary scrap metals – Some foundries dump scrap in the material with residual elements such as Niobium, Vanadium, Molybdenum, Titanium and Tungsten. These residual materials cause the formation of uncontrolled carbides in the microstructure that weaken the casting.
• Precise machining – Power Stop rotors are carefully machined to prevent stress risers, and they are guaranteed not to crack for 3 years / 36,000 miles when combined with Power Stop brake pads purchased and installed together. (See Power Stop's Warranty for more details.) All products conform to OE dimensions for a perfect fit every time.
• Fade resistant friction – Power Stop Brake Pads are specifically engineered to hold a high coefficient of friction above 1000°. Where other pads show brake fade, Power Stop consistently delivers superior brake power verified via independent test results comparing brake performance with other leading brands. Power Stop Brake Pads deliver up to 35% more pad bite and longer pad life.
• Posi-mold brake pads – Power Stop brake pads use positive mold technology. Posi-mold pads enable consistent density as the material is hot pressed at over 6,000 psi. The result is consistent performance and low noise. All pads are asbestos-free.
• Zinc-dichromate plating – Power Stop's plating resists rust and keeps the rotors looking new. Some competitors use cadmium plating which is highly toxic and a potential cancer risk. Cadmium is banned in Europe and with all major vehicle manufacturers.
Power Stop Brake Pads Technical Data
Power Stop Premium Brakes
Brake performance can vary greatly with different brands. Some aftermarket pads lose over 50% of the pad bite at high temperature or at high speeds. Over the past 15 years, Power Stop has developed the best performing brake pads in the business.
Power Stop pads are used by premier installer shops throughout North America. They have earned a reputation for OE-quality friction and great stopping power, low dust, and noise-free.
Power Stop validates friction performance using stringent SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) tests run by independent test labs. The following data shows braking power, noise and wear results for Power Stop Evolution Ceramic compared with some popular aftermarket brands.
Noise Test Results using SAE J2521
Brake noise is caused by pad vibration. Power Stop pads feature dual layer rubber shims to dampen vibration and eliminate noise.
Brake squeal can also occur if the backing plate is loose on the caliper guides. Power Stop uses precision stamped backing plates to assure good fitment to the caliper.
This graph shows the number of noisy stops for various aftermarket brands on a Chevy Tahoe. Compared to other brake pads, Power Stop pads are exceptionally quiet. Some “premium” aftermarket pads produce annoying brake squeal one out of every four stops.
The bottom line: Power Stop pads have OE-level noise performance.
Stopping Power
Brake performance is measured by mu, the coefficient of friction. Brake pads typically lose pad bite at high brake temperature or at high speed. This loss of stopping power is called brake fade.
The next graph shows the minimum mu (pad bite) for some popular aftermarket brands. The higher the mu the more pad bite.
The graph shows that Power Stop Evolution Ceramic Pads have significantly better pad bite and shorter stopping distance.
The OE friction coefficient is normally above 0.30 even at 1500°. Power Stop’s minimum mu is 0.34. Some aftermarket brands lose more than 50% of the pad bite with mu around 0.15.
The bottom line: Power Stop has close to OE-level performance for safer, faster stops.
Pad Wear
The following chart shows pad wear during the ISO NWI 26867 test on a Chevy Tahoe.
One brand lost 42% of the pad thickness. Most pads average about 10%–13% wear during the test.
The bottom line: Power Stop pads have better than average wear characteristics.
Power Stop® Extreme Performance Brake Systems and the Bob Bondurant® School of High Performance Driving are proud to announce a breakthrough partnership to keep our roads safer and our drivers more secure.
Bondurant, considered the premier high performance driving school in the US, and Power Stop, the leader in brake kits in the US, have aligned their products and services to raise awareness of the Power Stop “1-Click Brake Kit®” system, which is set to innovate the way our cars keep us safe.
“We are honored and humbled to enter into a collaborative partnership with the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving,” states Arvin Scott, Chief Executive Officer at Power Stop.
“This partnership marks a significant milestone in Power Stop’s growth and development as the leading performance brake program in North America. Power Stop is in the early stages of developing a race track/street performance brake package, and the testing, analysis, and feedback from the drivers and staff at Bondurant School of High Performance Driving will greatly assist our engineering team in developing the safest and most reliable high performance braking for auto enthusiasts all over the world.”
Power Stop, the #1 e-commerce brake kit supplier in the United States, has signed a five (5) year agreement with Bondurant to provide rotors, brake pads, and calipers to the school in a strategic partnership. The partnership will allow the Bondurant team to test those brake assets on their 1.6 mile track, while providing constant feedback and results to Power Stop for continuous improvement of the brake system.
“The thrill of partnering with a premier brake performance brand at the school is amazing” states Bob Bondurant, Chief Executive Officer of the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving.
“We offer the highest quality, most advanced training techniques in the world. On the street or on the racetrack, the capabilities of most cars are way above the capabilities of most drivers. The Bondurant school tries to even that out, and with the Power Stop partnership we will be able to improve the safety for drivers everywhere. At the school we are always looking at ways to improve the curriculum and safety of our students and this is another way of accomplishing that.”
Darren Law, Chief Operating Officer at Bondurant, is excited at the prospect of partnering with such an established name in the brake industry.
“Bondurant is very selective in its partnership agreements and after working with Power Stop, understanding their capabilities from an engineering standpoint, and knowing the positive reputation they hold within the industry, we feel this is the perfect partnership. We look forward to helping them advance and grow their product line as well as having them help us improve the performance and safety features of our cars,” he said.
Bondurant, considered the premier high performance driving school in the US, and Power Stop, the leader in brake kits in the US, have aligned their products and services to raise awareness of the Power Stop “1-Click Brake Kit®” system, which is set to innovate the way our cars keep us safe.
“We are honored and humbled to enter into a collaborative partnership with the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving,” states Arvin Scott, Chief Executive Officer at Power Stop.
“This partnership marks a significant milestone in Power Stop’s growth and development as the leading performance brake program in North America. Power Stop is in the early stages of developing a race track/street performance brake package, and the testing, analysis, and feedback from the drivers and staff at Bondurant School of High Performance Driving will greatly assist our engineering team in developing the safest and most reliable high performance braking for auto enthusiasts all over the world.”
Power Stop, the #1 e-commerce brake kit supplier in the United States, has signed a five (5) year agreement with Bondurant to provide rotors, brake pads, and calipers to the school in a strategic partnership. The partnership will allow the Bondurant team to test those brake assets on their 1.6 mile track, while providing constant feedback and results to Power Stop for continuous improvement of the brake system.
“The thrill of partnering with a premier brake performance brand at the school is amazing” states Bob Bondurant, Chief Executive Officer of the Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving.
“We offer the highest quality, most advanced training techniques in the world. On the street or on the racetrack, the capabilities of most cars are way above the capabilities of most drivers. The Bondurant school tries to even that out, and with the Power Stop partnership we will be able to improve the safety for drivers everywhere. At the school we are always looking at ways to improve the curriculum and safety of our students and this is another way of accomplishing that.”
Darren Law, Chief Operating Officer at Bondurant, is excited at the prospect of partnering with such an established name in the brake industry.
“Bondurant is very selective in its partnership agreements and after working with Power Stop, understanding their capabilities from an engineering standpoint, and knowing the positive reputation they hold within the industry, we feel this is the perfect partnership. We look forward to helping them advance and grow their product line as well as having them help us improve the performance and safety features of our cars,” he said.
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Oem brembo worked great for me so far and they are due for change now. Maybe the easier way to go is brembo again until someone tests these powerstop at track. Wouldn't risk testing them myself or swapping in and out oem pads before track day as some have suggested
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Me too I've been watching this thread for some time because of the price difference of powerstop and oem (don't care that much about dust) but still waiting for performance feedback as I track the car 5 or 6 days a year.
Oem brembo worked great for me so far and they are due for change now. Maybe the easier way to go is brembo again until someone tests these powerstop at track. Wouldn't risk testing them myself or swapping in and out oem pads before track day as some have suggested
Oem brembo worked great for me so far and they are due for change now. Maybe the easier way to go is brembo again until someone tests these powerstop at track. Wouldn't risk testing them myself or swapping in and out oem pads before track day as some have suggested
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Me too I've been watching this thread for some time because of the price difference of powerstop and oem (don't care that much about dust) but still waiting for performance feedback as I track the car 5 or 6 days a year.
Oem brembo worked great for me so far and they are due for change now. Maybe the easier way to go is brembo again until someone tests these powerstop at track. Wouldn't risk testing them myself or swapping in and out oem pads before track day as some have suggested
Oem brembo worked great for me so far and they are due for change now. Maybe the easier way to go is brembo again until someone tests these powerstop at track. Wouldn't risk testing them myself or swapping in and out oem pads before track day as some have suggested
For track days, I'd definitely stick with the stock Brembo/Ferroda pads. They will stop better, not fade etc then the PowerStop pads.
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If you make a change, be sure to use the track pads for track use. Bondurant thinks Power Stop products are worthy for their track cars...
https://youtu.be/8cByi5vkpow
https://youtu.be/8cByi5vkpow
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If you make a change, be sure to use the track pads for track use. Bondurant thinks Power Stop products are worthy for their track cars...
https://youtu.be/8cByi5vkpow
https://youtu.be/8cByi5vkpow
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Take a look at the Carbotech XP8 compound.
A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range of 200°F-1250°F+ (93°C to 676°C+). Carbotech™ XP8™ is the first of our racing compounds. Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise. Carbotech™ XP8™ is a great compound on the front & rear of most open wheel and sports racers.
Front: XP8 $306.85 Rear: XP8 $186.20
A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range of 200°F-1250°F+ (93°C to 676°C+). Carbotech™ XP8™ is the first of our racing compounds. Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise. Carbotech™ XP8™ is a great compound on the front & rear of most open wheel and sports racers.
Front: XP8 $306.85 Rear: XP8 $186.20
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Look for "new car take offs" for sale here on the forum. I've seen a few sets pretty cheap.
I took my pads off at 300 miles and I'm sure many others have too due to the dust.
Just start buying up take off/lightly used sets and keep them in stock.
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Take a look at the Carbotech XP8 compound.
A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range of 200°F-1250°F+ (93°C to 676°C+). Carbotech™ XP8™ is the first of our racing compounds. Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise. Carbotech™ XP8™ is a great compound on the front & rear of most open wheel and sports racers.
Front: XP8 $306.85 Rear: XP8 $186.20
A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range of 200°F-1250°F+ (93°C to 676°C+). Carbotech™ XP8™ is the first of our racing compounds. Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise. Carbotech™ XP8™ is a great compound on the front & rear of most open wheel and sports racers.
Front: XP8 $306.85 Rear: XP8 $186.20
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Btw if you're selling yours and can arrange shipping to uae for me please pm back (Fedex, usps, and many other couriers ship internationally)
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Great idea thought about it and was going to buy a barely used set from another member but the shipping cost to UAE just takes away the whole savings! Unless the pads/shipping are really good priced
Btw if you're selling yours and can arrange shipping to uae for me please pm back (Fedex, usps, and many other couriers ship internationally)
Btw if you're selling yours and can arrange shipping to uae for me please pm back (Fedex, usps, and many other couriers ship internationally)
Sorry man, I'm hanging on to mine just incase I decide to do a track day, I can throw them on for the event. I just couldnt stand the massive dust they make when street driving.
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I understand the XP8 is less dust than stock but may make some noise that why they are not recommended for daily and I believe your best bet would be to stick with the OE pads.
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its very simple,powerstops a must for street,great price and stopping and NO ugly crappy brake dust.if you want track days switch back to stock pads.
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For z06 iron rotor cars, has anyone had any fade or pedal drop issues with their stock pads while running hard on the track? And I emphasize running hard. Thanks
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This right here "pump the brakes "... I spaced and didn't pump the brakes. Put the car in reverse with my foot on the brake, car started moving backwards. Fortunately I turned the wheel to the left in a split second of unconscious thought and missed crashing my 17 GS into my 07 C6.
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