First trip to the strip
10-03-2016, 06:55 PM
#61
I'll wait for cooler weather, lose some tire pressure, do a more aggressive burnout and hope for better results. I did use Track mode and Race setting on one run, but used Launch Control. Terrible 60' and I got sideways in 2nd and had to lift but I'll try it again without the Launch Control. Thanks!
10-03-2016, 06:56 PM
#62
Racer
Thread Starter
I wouldn't stress too much about your times as I was there too (in the black 2007) and the tracked sucked as I spun on all 6 of my passes even with brand new 335/35/17 drag radials.
I'm not going out this week but probably will the following (weather permitting) and if you can get there early enough I have a set of drag radials that I run on my 2015 Z06 which you're welcome to borrow.
I'm not going out this week but probably will the following (weather permitting) and if you can get there early enough I have a set of drag radials that I run on my 2015 Z06 which you're welcome to borrow.
10-03-2016, 06:57 PM
#63
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10-03-2016, 07:04 PM
#64
Sorry. Just looked again at your time slip.
Just my opinion... Been down the track a few times in all kinds of cars so take these opinions for what they are... Just my opinion
MPH tells you how much power your making. It changes very little with a good, bad or great 60 foot time.
60 foot time tells how well the driver and car are working and affects the 60 foot time which affects the 1320 time big time.
Always look at mile per hour to gauge improvements in the care... Always look at 60 foot times to see improvements in the car and driver.
My opinion... Based on a fair bit of experience..... Anybody want to contradict should probably google my name first.
Frank Tamez
Just my opinion... Been down the track a few times in all kinds of cars so take these opinions for what they are... Just my opinion
MPH tells you how much power your making. It changes very little with a good, bad or great 60 foot time.
60 foot time tells how well the driver and car are working and affects the 60 foot time which affects the 1320 time big time.
Always look at mile per hour to gauge improvements in the care... Always look at 60 foot times to see improvements in the car and driver.
My opinion... Based on a fair bit of experience..... Anybody want to contradict should probably google my name first.
Frank Tamez
10-03-2016, 07:10 PM
#65
Supporting Vendor
Sorry. Just looked again at your time slip.
Just my opinion... Been down the track a few times in all kinds of cars so take these opinions for what they are... Just my opinion
MPH tells you how much power your making. It changes very little with a good, bad or great 60 foot time.
60 foot time tells how well the driver and car are working and affects the 60 foot time which affects the 1320 time big time.
Always look at mile per hour to gauge improvements in the care... Always look at 60 foot times to see improvements in the car and driver.
My opinion... Based on a fair bit of experience..... Anybody want to contradict should probably google my name first.
Frank Tamez
Just my opinion... Been down the track a few times in all kinds of cars so take these opinions for what they are... Just my opinion
MPH tells you how much power your making. It changes very little with a good, bad or great 60 foot time.
60 foot time tells how well the driver and car are working and affects the 60 foot time which affects the 1320 time big time.
Always look at mile per hour to gauge improvements in the care... Always look at 60 foot times to see improvements in the car and driver.
My opinion... Based on a fair bit of experience..... Anybody want to contradict should probably google my name first.
Frank Tamez
I was there at the same time as him - he spun on pretty much every pass so you can't really extract any useful information from his timeslips.
As for what I disagree with, the 60ft times have nothing whatsoever to do with the driver since the car's an automatic and it literally is a case of "hop in, stab the gas and hold on". As long as the car hooks properly there's nothing the driver can do to affect the 60ft, positively or negatively.
10-03-2016, 07:31 PM
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Some valid points, except...
I was there at the same time as him - he spun on pretty much every pass so you can't really extract any useful information from his timeslips.
As for what I disagree with, the 60ft times have nothing whatsoever to do with the driver since the car's an automatic and it literally is a case of "hop in, stab the gas and hold on". As long as the car hooks properly there's nothing the driver can do to affect the 60ft, positively or negatively.
I was there at the same time as him - he spun on pretty much every pass so you can't really extract any useful information from his timeslips.
As for what I disagree with, the 60ft times have nothing whatsoever to do with the driver since the car's an automatic and it literally is a case of "hop in, stab the gas and hold on". As long as the car hooks properly there's nothing the driver can do to affect the 60ft, positively or negatively.
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10-03-2016, 07:42 PM
#67
Racer
Thread Starter
Sorry. Just looked again at your time slip.
Just my opinion... Been down the track a few times in all kinds of cars so take these opinions for what they are... Just my opinion
MPH tells you how much power your making. It changes very little with a good, bad or great 60 foot time.
60 foot time tells how well the driver and car are working and affects the 60 foot time which affects the 1320 time big time.
Always look at mile per hour to gauge improvements in the care... Always look at 60 foot times to see improvements in the car and driver.
My opinion... Based on a fair bit of experience..... Anybody want to contradict should probably google my name first.
Frank Tamez
Just my opinion... Been down the track a few times in all kinds of cars so take these opinions for what they are... Just my opinion
MPH tells you how much power your making. It changes very little with a good, bad or great 60 foot time.
60 foot time tells how well the driver and car are working and affects the 60 foot time which affects the 1320 time big time.
Always look at mile per hour to gauge improvements in the care... Always look at 60 foot times to see improvements in the car and driver.
My opinion... Based on a fair bit of experience..... Anybody want to contradict should probably google my name first.
Frank Tamez
10-03-2016, 07:58 PM
#68
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Your statement ASSUMES that as long as the car hooks properly there is nothing much else for the driver of an A8 Z to do; however, you and the OP have made it clear that the cars were not hooking well at all, in fact they were spinning the tires all over the place, so then properly smoking the heck out of the the stock tires or your drag radials is going to be of extreme importance here. Let's face it, not everybody including the OP (who is new to this) is going to know how to do that big smokey burnout b/f his trip down the 1,320. That's the BIG challenge here at this track you guys are running into even with your drag radials, getting the car to hook, SO he is going to have to LEARN how to do a big smokey burnout at least 5 seconds in the upper rpm band. Not that easy if you have no experience and then he has to figure out does he that burnout by sticking the car in drive in the mode that he is going to race in or putting it into manual mode in first gears to get the rpms up to near 6,500 to get that burnout. So getting the car to HOOK is the biggest challenge here and with most cars making big power so you don't want to ASSUME he is or our are going to hook! BUT, he and anybody else will need experience how to launch their A8 car to in fact HOOK to achieve an excellent 60 foot time and therefore get a good elapsed time (E/T) also. Even with your drag radials he or your is going to need to a nice big smokey burnout to get enuff heat into those drag radials to get the car to dead hook.
Although I usually do a long enough one to see smoke (mostly out of habit), I've made a few passes without doing a burnout at all and my 60 ft times and ET were pretty much unchanged.
One time was when I didn't have the proper driving mode selected so as soon as the steering wheel turned even a little during the burnout the engine cut power. One or two other times I forgot to turn TC off and in both cases the car hooked just fine.
The even bigger head scratcher was the very first time I took the car to the track.
I got the tires good and hot, launched it at just over 2200RPM AND was moderately impressed with the 1.602 I ended up with. That enjoyment ended quickly after that as another guy there with his stock 2015 A8 Z06 had a 1.604 60ft launching off idle on street tires and no burnout whatsoever.
10-03-2016, 08:02 PM
#69
He needs some seat time to figure out what the car wants.
My first time down the track a couple weeks ago with my new 16 Z06 A8 didn't go great.
I had the MPH because I added 16 ounces of Torco to a full tank of gas
Filled the tank because I believed the extra weight over the rear would help me more than it would hurt.
Launched the car off idle in track mode with traction control off... Result was it spun hard about 3 feet out. I pedaled it by feathering the throttle and then rolled back into it.... Result
1.74 60
11.02@127.98
Next pass I put the car in Sport and TC off. Left at 2000 and rolled into the throttle......... Result
1.65 60
10.89@128.07
I posted this one here
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-video-13.html
Notice the MPH difference. Less than 1 tenth of a MPH.
The car is at Keisen Speed in Kennewick Wa getting massaged as we speak. Hoping for 1.50s and 10.00s without headers when its done. Better tires of course.
The track was very good but I could have easily blown the tires of if I just stabbed the throttle..... Practice and seat time... That's all it takes.
He will improve if he tries different techniques and learns from the results. I only took about 2000 or so laps down the strip to be a c--t hair better than a novice
. Just takes seat time.
Frank
My first time down the track a couple weeks ago with my new 16 Z06 A8 didn't go great.
I had the MPH because I added 16 ounces of Torco to a full tank of gas
Filled the tank because I believed the extra weight over the rear would help me more than it would hurt.
Launched the car off idle in track mode with traction control off... Result was it spun hard about 3 feet out. I pedaled it by feathering the throttle and then rolled back into it.... Result
1.74 60
11.02@127.98
Next pass I put the car in Sport and TC off. Left at 2000 and rolled into the throttle......... Result
1.65 60
10.89@128.07
I posted this one here
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-video-13.html
Notice the MPH difference. Less than 1 tenth of a MPH.
The car is at Keisen Speed in Kennewick Wa getting massaged as we speak. Hoping for 1.50s and 10.00s without headers when its done. Better tires of course.
The track was very good but I could have easily blown the tires of if I just stabbed the throttle..... Practice and seat time... That's all it takes.
He will improve if he tries different techniques and learns from the results. I only took about 2000 or so laps down the strip to be a c--t hair better than a novice
. Just takes seat time.Frank
10-03-2016, 08:46 PM
#70
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Sorry. Just looked again at your time slip.
Just my opinion... Been down the track a few times in all kinds of cars so take these opinions for what they are... Just my opinion
MPH tells you how much power your making. It changes very little with a good, bad or great 60 foot time.
60 foot time tells how well the driver and car are working and affects the 60 foot time which affects the 1320 time big time.
Always look at mile per hour to gauge improvements in the care... Always look at 60 foot times to see improvements in the car and driver.
My opinion... Based on a fair bit of experience..... Anybody want to contradict should probably google my name first.
Frank Tamez
Just my opinion... Been down the track a few times in all kinds of cars so take these opinions for what they are... Just my opinion
MPH tells you how much power your making. It changes very little with a good, bad or great 60 foot time.
60 foot time tells how well the driver and car are working and affects the 60 foot time which affects the 1320 time big time.
Always look at mile per hour to gauge improvements in the care... Always look at 60 foot times to see improvements in the car and driver.
My opinion... Based on a fair bit of experience..... Anybody want to contradict should probably google my name first.
Frank Tamez
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10-03-2016, 08:56 PM
#72
Drifting
Greg
10-03-2016, 09:13 PM
#73
Racer
Thread Starter
http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...-makes-history
10-03-2016, 09:23 PM
#74
Both me.
I'm not ashamed of my past.
The drag racing part is me.
The federal conviction almost 30 years ago is me.
Read both and make up your own mind.
You don't want drag racing advise? Is that it?
I'm not ashamed of my past.
The drag racing part is me.
The federal conviction almost 30 years ago is me.
Read both and make up your own mind.
You don't want drag racing advise? Is that it?
10-03-2016, 09:43 PM
#75
Melting Slicks
10-03-2016, 10:17 PM
#76
Racer
Thread Starter
We've all got skeletons - as long as you're also the drag racer, I'm listening. I'll listen to advice from anyone who knows more than me - to do otherwise would be arrogant, making me ignorant.
10-03-2016, 10:33 PM
#77
Team Owner
He knows his way around the track as well!
10-03-2016, 10:40 PM
#78
Racer
Thread Starter
I've been on this forum a long time and it never fails to be helpful for dumba$$es like me. There's a ton of knowledgeable and experienced guys, willing to help out.