Largest Negative Adjustments in World Challenge History to Corvette after Utah win
08-02-2006, 08:09 PM
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Largest Negative Adjustments in World Challenge History to Corvette after Utah win
Here it is guys,
We knew something was coming but I never expected this. This is the largest single adjustment to a brand in the history of World Challenge which goes back to 1990. Then ADD this to the recent 12% restrictor plate size reduction and it is clear that they do not want the Corvette or Me to win this championship.
If you add 150 pounds to a 3000 pound car on a 2.5 mile track it will slow down about 1.1 to 1.2 seconds. But on a 4 mile track (or 4.5 in Utah) it will be a clear 1.5 seconds or more. So check out qualilfying from Utah, then add 1.5 seconds and you will know where they want the C6 to be. And for Elkhart Lake, I will have another 40 rewards weight for a total of 190 pounds added after Utah. Nice. So I will be somewhere around 2 seconds slower than my car would have been.
And to top it off, the other competitive Corvette driver #6, threw me under the bus to get 25 pounds off his car because I was not using a Mass Air meter and he was.
The rules clearly stated that we can use ANY engine management but now they should read "any engine management unless that Corvette is faster than the others, so lets find something to take away from Lou".
Actually, I can take the 25 pounds off if I go back and remap my PCM to race with a Mass Air Flow meter but there is hp to be lost. I guess that was the idea.
And On top of it, the rules will allow the #6 Corvette to weigh 140 pounds less than my car.
Now that is even cooler. (Communist Racing, to each according to their needs, From each according to their means)
Thanks
Lou GIgliotti LGM
Here are the facts: Going back to the Sebring race, Every car other than the Corvette C6 is either exactly the same or improved.
Porsche 997 (2 wins) has 300 more RPM compared to Sebring.
Viper (1 win) stays the same.
Caddy(1 win) stays the same.
Porsche 996(0 wins) loses 50 pounds and gains 300 rpms.
Aston Martin (0 wins) is 100 pounds lighter with ZERO restrictor on the 4 cam 6 liter.
But the Corvettte C6 (2 wins) gets to weigh 150 pounds more, and has lost 12.5% of the intake opening by getting a smaller restrictor Compared to Sebring. (had a 40% now tightened to a 45% restrictor)
So there you have it. Write to BOD@scca.com if you think this stinks. (board of Directors)
Bulletin for World Challenge GT cars
Grand Touring
Aston Martin DB9: Change base weight from 3100 to 3000 lbs. Change required restrictor percentage from 40% to 0%.
Chevrolet Corvette C6: Change base weight from 2950 to 3100 lbs. Change rpm limit from 7100 to 7400 rpm. Add the following on the VTS sheet under “Engine Miscellaneous”; “Cars using the OE, or aftermarket equivalent, mass air flow sensor may reduce base weight by 25 lbs.”
Porsche 997 GT-3: Change base weight from 2800 to 2850 lbs.
Porsche 996 GT-3: Change base weight from 2800 to 2750 lbs.
From the SWC website
"On the SPEED Touring Car side, Turner said that despite three-straight poles and back-to-back wins by Pierre Kleinubing, there are no adjustments on the horizon for the top models.
“What we’re seeing is a driver and car combination that is having better success than the others, even within his own team,” Turner said. “The REWARDS program is designed to address this. Nothing in the data shows that this car has an advantage overall or specifically in individual analyses. There are a number of other driver and car combinations that are capable of winning as well, and I’m sure we’ll see this over the second half of the season.” "
We knew something was coming but I never expected this. This is the largest single adjustment to a brand in the history of World Challenge which goes back to 1990. Then ADD this to the recent 12% restrictor plate size reduction and it is clear that they do not want the Corvette or Me to win this championship.
If you add 150 pounds to a 3000 pound car on a 2.5 mile track it will slow down about 1.1 to 1.2 seconds. But on a 4 mile track (or 4.5 in Utah) it will be a clear 1.5 seconds or more. So check out qualilfying from Utah, then add 1.5 seconds and you will know where they want the C6 to be. And for Elkhart Lake, I will have another 40 rewards weight for a total of 190 pounds added after Utah. Nice. So I will be somewhere around 2 seconds slower than my car would have been.
And to top it off, the other competitive Corvette driver #6, threw me under the bus to get 25 pounds off his car because I was not using a Mass Air meter and he was.
The rules clearly stated that we can use ANY engine management but now they should read "any engine management unless that Corvette is faster than the others, so lets find something to take away from Lou".
Actually, I can take the 25 pounds off if I go back and remap my PCM to race with a Mass Air Flow meter but there is hp to be lost. I guess that was the idea.
And On top of it, the rules will allow the #6 Corvette to weigh 140 pounds less than my car.
Now that is even cooler. (Communist Racing, to each according to their needs, From each according to their means)Thanks
Lou GIgliotti LGM
Here are the facts: Going back to the Sebring race, Every car other than the Corvette C6 is either exactly the same or improved.
Porsche 997 (2 wins) has 300 more RPM compared to Sebring.
Viper (1 win) stays the same.
Caddy(1 win) stays the same.
Porsche 996(0 wins) loses 50 pounds and gains 300 rpms.
Aston Martin (0 wins) is 100 pounds lighter with ZERO restrictor on the 4 cam 6 liter.
But the Corvettte C6 (2 wins) gets to weigh 150 pounds more, and has lost 12.5% of the intake opening by getting a smaller restrictor Compared to Sebring. (had a 40% now tightened to a 45% restrictor)
So there you have it. Write to BOD@scca.com if you think this stinks. (board of Directors)
Bulletin for World Challenge GT cars
Grand Touring
Aston Martin DB9: Change base weight from 3100 to 3000 lbs. Change required restrictor percentage from 40% to 0%.
Chevrolet Corvette C6: Change base weight from 2950 to 3100 lbs. Change rpm limit from 7100 to 7400 rpm. Add the following on the VTS sheet under “Engine Miscellaneous”; “Cars using the OE, or aftermarket equivalent, mass air flow sensor may reduce base weight by 25 lbs.”
Porsche 997 GT-3: Change base weight from 2800 to 2850 lbs.
Porsche 996 GT-3: Change base weight from 2800 to 2750 lbs.
From the SWC website
"On the SPEED Touring Car side, Turner said that despite three-straight poles and back-to-back wins by Pierre Kleinubing, there are no adjustments on the horizon for the top models.
“What we’re seeing is a driver and car combination that is having better success than the others, even within his own team,” Turner said. “The REWARDS program is designed to address this. Nothing in the data shows that this car has an advantage overall or specifically in individual analyses. There are a number of other driver and car combinations that are capable of winning as well, and I’m sure we’ll see this over the second half of the season.” "
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08-02-2006, 08:18 PM
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That sucks LOU.
It is BS that you got thrown under the bus like that. I guess that the price you pay for winning.
Keep up the Good Fight, cant wait to see the race. When does it air?
It is BS that you got thrown under the bus like that. I guess that the price you pay for winning.
Keep up the Good Fight, cant wait to see the race. When does it air?
08-02-2006, 08:35 PM
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Go big or don't go...
Cheesus'n rice; but no whine here.
What the hell is this supposed to do? I look at this whole "car" penalty/reward system as an excercise in "physics"
It's very simple, isn't it, put the car statistics into a program, put the track statistic's into a program and dial them all in so they are even for each track? It's 2006, the above items listed are non-sense, they continue to decrement the C6/Corvette - despite the fact the first restrictions were focused on long straight tracks with little to no turns. Now they compound the restrictions to make braking and turning more difficult; only to leave the straight (easiest driving on the track) penalties in effect.
As a VP in Marketing I was seioursly considering sponsoring this event or one of the events at a race, but man with this kind of non-sense they penalize the "drivers" car's so much it's not a race any more.
Even NHTSA doesn't penalize car manfacturers so much that they can't design something people want to see! In short, the government does a better job!
WSC/SCCA have only one job with this race; the product is what you see. All of they have to do is run this like a "business"
Product requirements, based on customer feedback, etc
Development/Manufacture a race based on it
Do some market statistics to see how folks like it
Bada-bing, bada-boom - you got yourself a little success.
I'm sure as hell not buying those WSC/SCCA Piloti shoes, they might find out I drive too fast and send me some lead plates for a soul or is that sole?
JK
What the hell is this supposed to do? I look at this whole "car" penalty/reward system as an excercise in "physics"
It's very simple, isn't it, put the car statistics into a program, put the track statistic's into a program and dial them all in so they are even for each track? It's 2006, the above items listed are non-sense, they continue to decrement the C6/Corvette - despite the fact the first restrictions were focused on long straight tracks with little to no turns. Now they compound the restrictions to make braking and turning more difficult; only to leave the straight (easiest driving on the track) penalties in effect.
As a VP in Marketing I was seioursly considering sponsoring this event or one of the events at a race, but man with this kind of non-sense they penalize the "drivers" car's so much it's not a race any more.
Even NHTSA doesn't penalize car manfacturers so much that they can't design something people want to see! In short, the government does a better job!
WSC/SCCA have only one job with this race; the product is what you see. All of they have to do is run this like a "business"
Product requirements, based on customer feedback, etc
Development/Manufacture a race based on it
Do some market statistics to see how folks like it
Bada-bing, bada-boom - you got yourself a little success.
I'm sure as hell not buying those WSC/SCCA Piloti shoes, they might find out I drive too fast and send me some lead plates for a soul or is that sole?
JK
08-02-2006, 08:37 PM
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Go big or don't go...
Originally Posted by 03Ragtop
Nothing like punishing achievement. 
SCCA, where mediocrity takes 1st place!
World Speed Challenge promotes status-quo; where everyone can achieve. We're always at our best!
do I sound pizzd?
JK
08-02-2006, 09:38 PM
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Burning Brakes
it really sucks thats the way it is in the us now reward the losers and punish the winners ,, just think some day even in the superbowl the winning team will have to give there extra points to the lossing team so no fellings will be hurt....an eternal tie.. GO BLESS AMERICA..
CHIN UP I KNOW YOU HAVE IT IN YOU TO WIN ANYWAY GO GET THEM !!!!! YOUR FAN GEORGE...
CHIN UP I KNOW YOU HAVE IT IN YOU TO WIN ANYWAY GO GET THEM !!!!! YOUR FAN GEORGE...
08-02-2006, 09:50 PM
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my letter to scca
Wow do you people really want us to believe there is a race?
What is next a boat anchor & chain?
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Wow do you people really want us to believe there is a race?
What is next a boat anchor & chain?
Ernie Naugle
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President NCCC of Pa
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08-02-2006, 09:51 PM
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And why in the hell would leighton b!&<$ ??. If i recall correctly he was right on you in the begining of the race before he broke. then you had the rest of the field catch you at the end thanks to leightons pressure causing you to use up your tires. 
08-02-2006, 10:29 PM
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Like I have been saying WWF they pick the winner. That series is a shame. Like the bank add used to say "You have a friend at Chase Manhattan" Well Lou you have a friend at SCCA and with friends like that who needs enemies? It is so fixed they should not be able to legally call it racing.
You now need to join the Screen Actors Guild because it is a show with actors playing their role not racing.
You now need to join the Screen Actors Guild because it is a show with actors playing their role not racing.
08-02-2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TAF Motorsports
S-ports
C-ar
C-ommunist
of
A-merica
C-ar
C-ommunist
of
A-merica
That's good but I have something better unfortunately. I can't post it do to the language content.
08-02-2006, 11:04 PM
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where on the SCCA forum is "Speed World Corruption" discussed? I thought their was a separate section their?
http://www.scca.org/garage/forum/default.asp
Lou next year skip racing with these idiots and try cresting Mt. Everest without oxygen you chances would be better.
http://www.scca.org/garage/forum/default.asp
Lou next year skip racing with these idiots and try cresting Mt. Everest without oxygen you chances would be better.
08-02-2006, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
where on the SCCA forum is "Speed World Corruption" discussed? I thought their was a separate section their?
http://www.scca.org/garage/forum/default.asp
Lou next year skip racing with these idiots and try cresting Mt. Everest without oxygen you chances would be better.
http://www.scca.org/garage/forum/default.asp
Lou next year skip racing with these idiots and try cresting Mt. Everest without oxygen you chances would be better.
08-02-2006, 11:19 PM
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oh the irony 
From the SWC website
"On the SPEED Touring Car side, Turner said that despite three-straight poles and back-to-back wins by Pierre Kleinubing, there are no adjustments on the horizon for the top models.
“What we’re seeing is a driver and car combination that is having better success than the others, even within his own team,” Turner said. “The REWARDS program is designed to address this. Nothing in the data shows that this car has an advantage overall or specifically in individual analyses. There are a number of other driver and car combinations that are capable of winning as well, and I’m sure we’ll see this over the second half of the season.” "
From the SWC website
"On the SPEED Touring Car side, Turner said that despite three-straight poles and back-to-back wins by Pierre Kleinubing, there are no adjustments on the horizon for the top models.
“What we’re seeing is a driver and car combination that is having better success than the others, even within his own team,” Turner said. “The REWARDS program is designed to address this. Nothing in the data shows that this car has an advantage overall or specifically in individual analyses. There are a number of other driver and car combinations that are capable of winning as well, and I’m sure we’ll see this over the second half of the season.” "
08-02-2006, 11:28 PM
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Obviously they don't want Lou to Win... World Challenge is a Sham series... Lots of potential, but grossly mismanaged..
I won't bother watching...
I won't bother watching...