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Old 08-03-2006, 12:17 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk2p2...elated&search=

Check out this video link to see some very enlightening discussion.

maybe you have already seen this but if not, you will not be wasting your time.

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Old 08-03-2006, 12:26 AM
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Very cool link - thanks Lou!
Old 08-03-2006, 07:06 AM
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Smooth, consistant and knows the edge or limit of his car.

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Smooth, consistant and knows the edge or limit of his car.

Actually, not so smooth-did you see the steering input graph provided by the data aquisition? The poor bastard they were comparing him to was smooth-spoon face had tons of little corrections and was 2 tenths faster though the corner!

There was an article in some mag (racecar engineering? I don't remember) that had some data from Shuey that they used to demonstrate the benefits of a parabolic line-was pretty interesting stuff.
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schumacher obviously took the lg driving experience!

cool vid, is there one that compares their lines as well?
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Actually, not so smooth-did you see the steering input graph provided by the data aquisition? The poor bastard they were comparing him to was smooth-spoon face had tons of little corrections and was 2 tenths faster though the corner!

There was an article in some mag (racecar engineering? I don't remember) that had some data from Shuey that they used to demonstrate the benefits of a parabolic line-was pretty interesting stuff.
I think they said that Schumacher was faster through that corner and 1.5 seconds faster on the full lap.

And the steering trace indicated that Michael S was close to the limit having to make small corrections to keep it within the limits.

In other words, it was easy for the slower guy (Johnny Herbert) to keep his steering smooth because he was not near the limit.

For Schumacher to be 1.5 seconds faster on the same team is significant. That means that he can truly drive on the line closer to the limit more often than his competition. And at the limit it takes a driver, not a passenger.

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For Schumacher to be 1.5 seconds faster on the same team is significant. That means that he can truly drive on the line closer to the limit more often than his competition. And at the limit it takes a driver, not a passenger.

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Old 08-03-2006, 11:21 AM
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I think the REAL difference is that he reads the Corvette forum and gets driving tips from us. He has been doing it for years and keeps it a secret so Alonso and Kimi don't find out. Massa started reading the forum recently and that is why his form has improved.
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Thanks for the post Lou.
Old 08-03-2006, 12:21 PM
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WOW really adds meaning now to "being ahead of the car" especially all the steering correction in the corner. Incredible
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Thanks for the post Lou. The difference in driving style can be extreme from F1 driver to driver. There is a lot of talk about the friction circle and 10/10ths driving. Prost was smooth and looked slow. However, the most egregious example of 11/10ths, WAY over the edge driving style that I have ever personally witnessed was by Ronnie Peterson at Watkins Glen . We were filming from a point over the tunnel on the outside of the toe of the boot. During the race, Ronnie came through this climbing turn in a full drift, but with the car attitude changing from understeer to oversteer as he modified the attitude wih huge inputs of throttle and steering. Finally, he lost his Lotus and spun (360), hitting the outside guardrail on exit, bouncing off, and continuing. His team never even knew that he had spun, because he lost less than a second on that lap! We got the whole thing on film.
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Thanks for the post Lou. The difference in driving style can be extreme from F1 driver to driver. There is a lot of talk about the friction circle and 10/10ths driving. Prost was smooth and looked slow. However, the most egregious example of 11/10ths, WAY over the edge driving style that I have ever personally witnessed was by Ronnie Peterson at Watkins Glen . We were filming from a point over the tunnel on the outside of the toe of the boot. During the race, Ronnie came through this climbing turn in a full drift, but with the car attitude changing from understeer to oversteer as he modified the attitude wih huge inputs of throttle and steering. Finally, he lost his Lotus and spun (360), hitting the outside guardrail on exit, bouncing off, and continuing. His team never even knew that he had spun, because he lost less than a second on that lap! We got the whole thing on film.
that had to be in 78 or 79 and I was there. I lived about 30 miles from that track and I saw every F1 race until they stopped running there.

was that the year that Mario was his team mate?

Racing way back before my time was, "When tires were skinny and drivers were fat."

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Lou, they truly had great racing there every year. However, I just don't remember what year. It was before Mario became his teammate, and I think 76 or 77. My wife and I went every year beginning in 73 when Cevert was killed. We were there when they burned the Brazilian Fittipaldi fan's bus in the bog. There was a lot of crazy non-racing stuff that went on then, but I wish they still ran F1 at the Glen. At any rate, we were probably there watching with you during the 70s. Good luck
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Lou, they truly had great racing there every year. However, I just don't remember what year. It was before Mario became his teammate, and I think 76 or 77. My wife and I went every year beginning in 73 when Cevert was killed. We were there when they burned the Brazilian Fittipaldi fan's bus in the bog. There was a lot of crazy non-racing stuff that went on then, but I wish they still ran F1 at the Glen. At any rate, we were probably there watching with you during the 70s. Good luck
In 76, I was racing a "super Vee/mini Indy car there and I had the outside pole, in front of all the F1 teams. BUT I am still waiting for that call up

I also know the guys who burned the bus. I was working as a crew for the EFR super Vee (Eliot Forbes Robinson) in 74 at the GP weekend when the bus was burned.

small world.

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I'd love to see telemetry comparing other contemporary greats though instead of Johnny Herbert.
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God Bless Ronnie Peterson and Francois Cevert
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its hard to believe how easy they make that look!!!!
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Lou the incredible thing is that EFR was racing when I was a boy......and he's STILL racing as far as I know (He's GOTTA be older than Paul Newman)


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