Why roadracers shouldn't drag race...
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Melting Slicks
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Why roadracers shouldn't drag race...
So they had a track day rental at MIR, an NHRA certified track. I tried hard to get my car to launch, but between wheelhop, bogging, and spinning, and just couldn't get a launch to be "happy" with, without fear of breaking hard parts. The clutch held fine, and maybe if I'd played with tire pressures and tried a more abusive approach, I'd have had better results... Had a slew of 117MPH passes in the 12.4 to 12.8 range. Reaction times weren't bad, ranging from .500 to .577, but the 60 ft. times were horrid, ranging in 2.1 - 2.3 with massive wheelspin thru 3rd gear. I knew there was a reason I don't drag race...
Mike
Mike
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Race Director
Is that RWD? A lot of negative camber is good for a road course but bad for the drag track. I have been keeping my rear camber to .5 total because of this.
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Melting Slicks
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It really sad.. Ive got coilovers with really stiff settings and stiff springs, about 600BHP and AWD... And way to much negative camber, way to much tire pressure in my street tires, and way to much torque...
Sucked really...
Mike
Sucked really...
Mike
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Le Mans Master
Hey, don't feel bad. While I have not drag raced, yet, although I want to try, you should have seen how bad I sucked at autocross a few months back when I tried that.
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Safety Car
Wish I could have been there. I was eyeing the date and the weather looked good, but my wife had this stupid Pampered Chef party she had to do. Only 6 people showed up. I bet she nets no more than $50.
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Safety Car
First-
You need a set of drag radials.
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Tach it to about 6 grand and dump it. ..........................pedal her from there.
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.naw....just funnin'.
That car is too pretty to beat on...and I mean that as a compliment.
You need a set of drag radials.
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Tach it to about 6 grand and dump it. ..........................pedal her from there.
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.naw....just funnin'.
That car is too pretty to beat on...and I mean that as a compliment.
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In 06 we tried an afternoon at the drags and guess what I found to be the secret.....seat time. I ran 4 passes in the 10's getting better every time then turned the car over to an experienced drag racer, who ignored my instruction to take it easy out of the hole. One pass 9.58 at 148 mph
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Hehehe...seat time is key......cracking off some 10s at 124+ last Friday
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Drag racing is for those with A.D.D. ........ A winner every 13 seconds!!!!
Just kidding, I just say that cause I sucked at the drags as well.
Each form of racing takes its own skills and most of us are into the RR/AutoX. But drag racing, dirt track and NASCAR all have there own techniqe to go fast.
Just kidding, I just say that cause I sucked at the drags as well.
Each form of racing takes its own skills and most of us are into the RR/AutoX. But drag racing, dirt track and NASCAR all have there own techniqe to go fast.
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So they had a track day rental at MIR, an NHRA certified track. I tried hard to get my car to launch, but between wheelhop, bogging, and spinning, and just couldn't get a launch to be "happy" with, without fear of breaking hard parts. The clutch held fine, and maybe if I'd played with tire pressures and tried a more abusive approach, I'd have had better results... Had a slew of 117MPH passes in the 12.4 to 12.8 range. Reaction times weren't bad, ranging from .500 to .577, but the 60 ft. times were horrid, ranging in 2.1 - 2.3 with massive wheelspin thru 3rd gear. I knew there was a reason I don't drag race...
Mike
Mike
The real test would have been to compare your times with a C-6 Z0-6 on the same day on the same track
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Safety Car
This must be a give and take thing, I suck at drag racing too, I can shift like a ***** but I cant launch for crap.
But Mike, youd have to be struggling to trap 117 when you should be trapping 130, especially at that track, but I'm sure the - camber doesnt help either.
But I cant talk, my 800 rwhp vette I can only get to 132 because I've got 20's on the rear and bog 1rst and second all the time. In fact I trapped my fastest launching in second gear and bogging to the 330'. . I may try some DR's one day, but broken rear ends are not your friend. It should at least be mid 140's
But Mike, youd have to be struggling to trap 117 when you should be trapping 130, especially at that track, but I'm sure the - camber doesnt help either.
But I cant talk, my 800 rwhp vette I can only get to 132 because I've got 20's on the rear and bog 1rst and second all the time. In fact I trapped my fastest launching in second gear and bogging to the 330'. . I may try some DR's one day, but broken rear ends are not your friend. It should at least be mid 140's
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117mph is a true indication of power VS weight. I also would have thought that AWD would have some very fast 60 foot times. I've driven some very fast turbo vehicles at drag racing just for fun.
The real test would have been to compare your times with a C-6 Z0-6 on the same day on the same track
The real test would have been to compare your times with a C-6 Z0-6 on the same day on the same track
The 996 TT is notoriously hard to launch in AWD form, in fact many people go to RWD just because of it, I refused to beleive it myself until I tried it, my best launch to date is a 1.98, and I got a 2.0 in my corvette that I mentioned above, with 20's lag, bog and spin.
But my 439.6 Dyno Dynamics RWHP (converted to rwd for dyno then back) has trapped 1 mph slower than Lankhoss' 500 rwhp Dynojet Z06. I do agree that if he is not spinning a majority of the way down the track, then something is lacking in the power area. I doubt lag is an issue.
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I have never drag raced my last couple of Vette motors. Because road setups are not set for a launch and it would be a waste of time drag racing without wrinkle wall slicks. I have wondered how well GoodYear sportsman RR slicks would work on a drag strip. I'm now using 12X27 rears and in a straight line I think that they will hold my motor in second gear
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I grew up drag racing... took my Cobra to MIR on many Friday nights for Midnight Madness bracket racing
I even got my Z06 to run a 12.156 @ 116.8 on street tires w/ only an intake and headers... I was pretty pround of that (371 rwhp).
Mike... road racing mods are in direct opposition to drag racing mods... your allignment and suspension were killing you.
A local guy here has a Porsche like your converted to RWD that makes almost 900 rwhp. It's tuned by a company called Pro Drive I think. He's an EOD and is away in Iraq for a bit. Whe he comes back he said hes upgrading the turbos for over 900 rwhp.
The car is blistering fast... and w/ the rear motor it hooks amazingly well. One of the few cars that can actually put all that power down.
I even got my Z06 to run a 12.156 @ 116.8 on street tires w/ only an intake and headers... I was pretty pround of that (371 rwhp).
Mike... road racing mods are in direct opposition to drag racing mods... your allignment and suspension were killing you.
A local guy here has a Porsche like your converted to RWD that makes almost 900 rwhp. It's tuned by a company called Pro Drive I think. He's an EOD and is away in Iraq for a bit. Whe he comes back he said hes upgrading the turbos for over 900 rwhp.
The car is blistering fast... and w/ the rear motor it hooks amazingly well. One of the few cars that can actually put all that power down.
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I grew up drag racing... took my Cobra to MIR on many Friday nights for Midnight Madness bracket racing
I even got my Z06 to run a 12.156 @ 116.8 on street tires w/ only an intake and headers... I was pretty pround of that (371 rwhp).
Mike... road racing mods are in direct opposition to drag racing mods... your allignment and suspension were killing you.
A local guy here has a Porsche like your converted to RWD that makes almost 900 rwhp. It's tuned by a company called Pro Drive I think. He's an EOD and is away in Iraq for a bit. Whe he comes back he said hes upgrading the turbos for over 900 rwhp.
The car is blistering fast... and w/ the rear motor it hooks amazingly well. One of the few cars that can actually put all that power down.
I even got my Z06 to run a 12.156 @ 116.8 on street tires w/ only an intake and headers... I was pretty pround of that (371 rwhp).
Mike... road racing mods are in direct opposition to drag racing mods... your allignment and suspension were killing you.
A local guy here has a Porsche like your converted to RWD that makes almost 900 rwhp. It's tuned by a company called Pro Drive I think. He's an EOD and is away in Iraq for a bit. Whe he comes back he said hes upgrading the turbos for over 900 rwhp.
The car is blistering fast... and w/ the rear motor it hooks amazingly well. One of the few cars that can actually put all that power down.
That has to be Scott's car, I know he's from Virginia, is in Iraq, and has that much power, I think his car is a Protomotive car though.
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