Heidfeld: F1 wil be extremely dangerous in 2009
12-07-2007, 04:44 PM
#3
Le Mans Master
Whaaa, they want us to drive the cars? Whaaugghhhh!!!!! 
Getting rid of traction control, going to more mechanical grip, might just be what F1 needs to bring back actual racing. Qualifying was at least as interesting and influential to the race's outcome as the race itself, and that's never a good thing.
Have a good one,
Mike
Getting rid of traction control, going to more mechanical grip, might just be what F1 needs to bring back actual racing. Qualifying was at least as interesting and influential to the race's outcome as the race itself, and that's never a good thing.
Have a good one,
Mike
12-07-2007, 05:13 PM
#4
Team Owner
so what he is saying is when you come out of the pits your have hard cold slicks and no down-force. Cars are going way faster so you are a slow target until you warm up. I think he is right they should have left the down force. Plus I like the high cornering speeds down-force allows.
12-07-2007, 05:47 PM
#5
Whaaa, they want us to drive the cars? Whaaugghhhh!!!!!
Getting rid of traction control, going to more mechanical grip, might just be what F1 needs to bring back actual racing. Qualifying was at least as interesting and influential to the race's outcome as the race itself, and that's never a good thing.
Have a good one,
Mike
Getting rid of traction control, going to more mechanical grip, might just be what F1 needs to bring back actual racing. Qualifying was at least as interesting and influential to the race's outcome as the race itself, and that's never a good thing.
Have a good one,
Mike
I'm all for the advances in safety, but racing has always had an element of danger to it. Part of what makes it exciting is the danger. If they want to eliminate that danger, I think that they should be doing something else because there are plenty of people that would gladly take on that challenge. Look at the freestyle motox guys. Those guys are insane.
12-07-2007, 05:54 PM
#6
Massa expects more crashes next season
Felipe Massa believes the ban on traction control might improve the spectacle of racing, but will also cause more crashes to happen in 2008. According to the Brazilian it is now much harder to keep the car under control coming out of slow corners.
Speaking about his day of testing without the use of traction control Massa told GPUpdate.net: "It's a big difference, good fun and a better show for the fans. I do expect more crashes though. Some might expect it will cause more overtaking moves but I can't agree with them. It is more dangerous as we lose some grip, especially with slicks. The car is really tricky coming out of the corner and thus it is more difficult to have a good exit out of the corner. You can easily lose the rear end of the car now so you need to be a lot smoother on the throttle."
In Jerez Massa enjoyed the company of Michael Schumacher on Thursday. "It was really nice to work with him again. He is a fantastic driver and can help a lot. He is never slow and he can help with the development of next year's car."
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They have to learn how to drive the cars out of the corners without the traction control. If they don't get traction, don't give it as much throttle. I can't believe the reaction to the drivers about these changes.
Speaking about his day of testing without the use of traction control Massa told GPUpdate.net: "It's a big difference, good fun and a better show for the fans. I do expect more crashes though. Some might expect it will cause more overtaking moves but I can't agree with them. It is more dangerous as we lose some grip, especially with slicks. The car is really tricky coming out of the corner and thus it is more difficult to have a good exit out of the corner. You can easily lose the rear end of the car now so you need to be a lot smoother on the throttle."
In Jerez Massa enjoyed the company of Michael Schumacher on Thursday. "It was really nice to work with him again. He is a fantastic driver and can help a lot. He is never slow and he can help with the development of next year's car."
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They have to learn how to drive the cars out of the corners without the traction control. If they don't get traction, don't give it as much throttle. I can't believe the reaction to the drivers about these changes.
12-07-2007, 06:09 PM
#7
Team Owner
I'm beginning to think that the F1 drivers are a bunch of wusses. Michael Schumacher once said that he'd never race in the Indy 500 because he thinks that it's too dangerous. F1 wants to cut down trees at Monza because they think that it's too dangerous for the drivers.
I'm all for the advances in safety, but racing has always had an element of danger to it. Part of what makes it exciting is the danger. If they want to eliminate that danger, I think that they should be doing something else because there are plenty of people that would gladly take on that challenge. Look at the freestyle motox guys. Those guys are insane.
I'm all for the advances in safety, but racing has always had an element of danger to it. Part of what makes it exciting is the danger. If they want to eliminate that danger, I think that they should be doing something else because there are plenty of people that would gladly take on that challenge. Look at the freestyle motox guys. Those guys are insane.
not me!
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12-07-2007, 06:22 PM
#8
The problem is when you get some of the paychecks they get you don't want to died. If the tree are in a dangerous situation cut'em. They use to race with a leather helmet and a horseshoe at best for roll over protection. As a spectator would you like more excitement by standing ion the side of the track with no fence or barriers not me!
not me!
12-08-2007, 10:31 PM
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"too much power, and too little grip". WTF. That's why racing takes skill, and not everybody can do it. Any sprint car driver hearing that is going to laugh in that guy's face. Perhaps he might consider taking up a safe activity like golf, or something.
12-09-2007, 01:01 AM
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What is the speed differential between and sprint car on cold tires vs. hot tires? How fast is a sprint car going?
12-09-2007, 01:02 AM
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12-09-2007, 03:28 PM
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I take it you haven't expanded your horizons to include non-paved racing events. Watch a sprint car race on a half mile or mile track, and be freakin' amazed at the talent those drivers possess to maneuver those cars through traffic at those speeds. You'll frequently see more passes for the lead in one race there than you'll see in a whole season of F1. And the sprint guys don't have the luxury of a stable, nonchanging racing surface during the race. It's been my experience that there is no correlation between a high racing series cost and a competitive show for the spectators.
12-09-2007, 03:47 PM
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Le Mans Master
I'm beginning to think that the F1 drivers are a bunch of wusses. Michael Schumacher once said that he'd never race in the Indy 500 because he thinks that it's too dangerous. F1 wants to cut down trees at Monza because they think that it's too dangerous for the drivers.
I'm all for the advances in safety, but racing has always had an element of danger to it. Part of what makes it exciting is the danger. If they want to eliminate that danger, I think that they should be doing something else because there are plenty of people that would gladly take on that challenge. Look at the freestyle motox guys. Those guys are insane.
I'm all for the advances in safety, but racing has always had an element of danger to it. Part of what makes it exciting is the danger. If they want to eliminate that danger, I think that they should be doing something else because there are plenty of people that would gladly take on that challenge. Look at the freestyle motox guys. Those guys are insane.
I raced motorcycles for 7 years in the 1970s until I got broken up and saw the light.
However, I will NOT race at Pacific Raceway at Kent Washington, because there are trees growing right to the edge of the track and other very dangerous aspects of that track. Call me old, but I race for fun. I make mistakes and I have no wish to die or to be crippled.
12-09-2007, 07:30 PM
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Speeds are all over the place due to every track being different in size, shape, banking, etc. My favorite track when I used to live in the midwest was Eldora Speedway (currently owned by Tony Stewart) in Ohio. It's a very fast, banked, half mile dirt track. The lap record is 12.707 seconds, according to their website. Assuming an ideal half mile groove, that calculates out to 142 mph average. While I certainly think the F1 guys are a talented bunch, I think they would, if honest, have to respect anyone who can throw a car sideways at 150+ mph, lap after lap.
12-09-2007, 07:34 PM
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Having never driven a F1 car, I am not qualified to comment.
I raced motorcycles for 7 years in the 1970s until I got broken up and saw the light.
However, I will NOT race at Pacific Raceway at Kent Washington, because there are trees growing right to the edge of the track and other very dangerous aspects of that track. Call me old, but I race for fun. I make mistakes and I have no wish to die or to be crippled.
I raced motorcycles for 7 years in the 1970s until I got broken up and saw the light.
However, I will NOT race at Pacific Raceway at Kent Washington, because there are trees growing right to the edge of the track and other very dangerous aspects of that track. Call me old, but I race for fun. I make mistakes and I have no wish to die or to be crippled.
it's not old it is wisdom
of which I have also gained. What type of bikes did you race?
12-09-2007, 07:36 PM
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Speeds are all over the place due to every track being different in size, shape, banking, etc. My favorite track when I used to live in the midwest was Eldora Speedway (currently owned by Tony Stewart) in Ohio. It's a very fast, banked, half mile dirt track. The lap record is 12.707 seconds, according to their website. Assuming an ideal half mile groove, that calculates out to 142 mph average. While I certainly think the F1 guys are a talented bunch, I think they would, if honest, have to respect anyone who can throw a car sideways at 150+ mph, lap after lap.
12-09-2007, 09:11 PM
#18
Having never driven a F1 car, I am not qualified to comment.
I raced motorcycles for 7 years in the 1970s until I got broken up and saw the light.
However, I will NOT race at Pacific Raceway at Kent Washington, because there are trees growing right to the edge of the track and other very dangerous aspects of that track. Call me old, but I race for fun. I make mistakes and I have no wish to die or to be crippled.
I raced motorcycles for 7 years in the 1970s until I got broken up and saw the light.
However, I will NOT race at Pacific Raceway at Kent Washington, because there are trees growing right to the edge of the track and other very dangerous aspects of that track. Call me old, but I race for fun. I make mistakes and I have no wish to die or to be crippled.
12-09-2007, 09:45 PM
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All racing is good - boats, cars, airplanes, bikes...I even like the 24 hr lawnmower enduros in England.
(I seldom watch more than a few minutes, at a time of, any race though.)
Jackie Stewart forever changed GP/F1 in the late sixties. I don't EVER want to go back to the old GPs. Too many accidents/shunts and way too many deaths.
I agree with xsiveone - sounds like some of the F1 guys are lacking in the testosterone department.
I've always hated the driver aids. Now we have an entire generation of drivers lacking basic skills.
BRING BACK 1400 HP TURBOS AND QUALIES (qualifying slicks ...good for three laps).
12-09-2007, 09:49 PM
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