Autocrossing & Roadracing Suspension Setup for Track Corvettes, Camber/Caster Adjustments, R-Compound Tires, Race Slicks, Tips on Driving Technique, Events, Results
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

camber kit vs eccentric

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-08-2007, 10:23 PM
  #1  
mousecatcher
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
mousecatcher's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: San Mateo CA
Posts: 2,173
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default camber kit vs eccentric

why doesn't the stock vette come with a "camber kit"?
Old 12-09-2007, 08:31 AM
  #2  
gonzalezfj
Melting Slicks
 
gonzalezfj's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2004
Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,533
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mousecatcher
why doesn't the stock vette come with a "camber kit"?
Could you please explain why you think the Vette needs a "camber kit"?

Frank Gonzalez
Old 12-09-2007, 10:54 AM
  #3  
mousecatcher
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
mousecatcher's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: San Mateo CA
Posts: 2,173
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

to keep the camber from changing over time?
Old 12-09-2007, 12:13 PM
  #4  
wallyman424
Melting Slicks
 
wallyman424's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Charleston SC
Posts: 2,381
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by mousecatcher
to keep the camber from changing over time?
but then it wouldnt be adjustable. street cars need adjustable alignment settings.
Old 12-09-2007, 01:04 PM
  #5  
mousecatcher
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
mousecatcher's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: San Mateo CA
Posts: 2,173
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

it would still be adjustable. you adjust it with shims, not the eccentric. i remember doing alignments on old GM musclecars back in the day and using only shims. just like you do when you get a camber kit.

i think the biggest deal with the camber kit is that you can get more negative camber than stock -- the eccentric replacement on the lower a-arm puts the bottom of the tire out further than the widest setting of the eccentric. then you dial it in on the upper a-arm with shims.

but the nice side effect is that the camber doesn't change over time.

it actually seems cheaper to me to use fixed parts rather than an eccentric, and just wondering why the general doesn't do this from the factory.

Last edited by mousecatcher; 12-09-2007 at 01:44 PM.
Old 12-09-2007, 01:06 PM
  #6  
mousecatcher
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
 
mousecatcher's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: San Mateo CA
Posts: 2,173
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

BTW, i'm referring to the C6 vette.
Old 12-09-2007, 02:11 PM
  #7  
gonzalezfj
Melting Slicks
 
gonzalezfj's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2004
Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,533
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mousecatcher
it would still be adjustable. you adjust it with shims, not the eccentric. i remember doing alignments on old GM musclecars back in the day and using only shims. just like you do when you get a camber kit.

i think the biggest deal with the camber kit is that you can get more negative camber than stock -- the eccentric replacement on the lower a-arm puts the bottom of the tire out further than the widest setting of the eccentric. then you dial it in on the upper a-arm with shims.

but the nice side effect is that the camber doesn't change over time.

it actually seems cheaper to me to use fixed parts rather than an eccentric, and just wondering why the general doesn't do this from the factory.
Changing adjustments with shims is a PIA. I, for one, am happy GM put eccentrics in the suspension. If you tighten the eccentric bolt properly, it won't shift. If you are worried about shift, just draw a paint line from the eccentric to the crossmember and you can check at a glance that it has not shifted.

YMMV.

Frank Gonzalez

Last edited by gonzalezfj; 12-09-2007 at 04:47 PM.
Old 12-09-2007, 03:53 PM
  #8  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

I run hard with Hoosiers and mine have never moved in 9 years. I mark them when set.
Old 12-09-2007, 05:38 PM
  #9  
dbratten
Drifting
Support Corvetteforum!
 
dbratten's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2005
Location: Turlock CA
Posts: 1,745
Received 35 Likes on 33 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by mousecatcher
it would still be adjustable. you adjust it with shims, not the eccentric. i remember doing alignments on old GM musclecars back in the day and using only shims. just like you do when you get a camber kit.

i think the biggest deal with the camber kit is that you can get more negative camber than stock -- the eccentric replacement on the lower a-arm puts the bottom of the tire out further than the widest setting of the eccentric. then you dial it in on the upper a-arm with shims.

but the nice side effect is that the camber doesn't change over time.

it actually seems cheaper to me to use fixed parts rather than an eccentric, and just wondering why the general doesn't do this from the factory.
The shims, once set, remain in place. But movement over time doesn't seems to be much of a problem. Initially, setting alignment with shims takes much longer which on an assembly line costs money. Each car is different so having a starting point for your shims can only get you so close. Adjusting the eccentric is a twist of the bolt. The lower shims (F & R) must be removed to change the setting plus as they do not allow infinite adjustment (within their range) may also require adjustment of the upper shims (F) to get your settings dialed in. Plus, you don't want to get the lower shims in crooked and not seated properly. This just isn't practical for GM to spend the time on this on a car of this volume.

However, when working on your own car, you can find the settings that work for you and keep them. You can also move easily between race and street settings by changing a few notches/shims and setting the toe. This does not require an alignment/check each time.

I'm also sure the eccentric bolt assembly is much cheaper to make than an assortment of lower shims. Plus, each owner would need to purchase shims to work on their own car and alignment shops would need to stock the lower shims as well. The aftermarket solution, for the maybe 5% of us who care, is much better.

--Dan

Get notified of new replies

To camber kit vs eccentric




Quick Reply: camber kit vs eccentric



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:10 AM.