Do you get your money's worth out of your equipment
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Do you get your money's worth out of your equipment
or is it just me?
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That looks vaguely familiar...I corded my front tires a month or two ago on the track. I thought the front end was pushing a bit. An alignment seems to have cured the problem...no issues last time out.
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Running Hoosiers with stock allignment is a big no no. With about -2.5+ I get a full season (8-10 days) no problem. Last year, I was able to get more. I had the same Hoosiers for the first few events of the new season.
It is HPDE, no trophies. Work on being smooth, maximize you lines to the absolute last centimeter, use all the of the track and when you are done braking, take your foot completely off the pedal quickly. I have learned many techniques over the years on how to be fast and maximize brakes and tires.
While it is great to dive into every corner with everything you got, braking just a wee bit sooner and with only the amount of pedal pressure required to stop the car will save a tremendous amount of brake pad. I find I rarely ever have to push my pedal near the floor to stop properly and can make my brakes last quite a long time compared to other owners with similar set ups. You can still be fast and manage your consumables
It is HPDE, no trophies. Work on being smooth, maximize you lines to the absolute last centimeter, use all the of the track and when you are done braking, take your foot completely off the pedal quickly. I have learned many techniques over the years on how to be fast and maximize brakes and tires.
While it is great to dive into every corner with everything you got, braking just a wee bit sooner and with only the amount of pedal pressure required to stop the car will save a tremendous amount of brake pad. I find I rarely ever have to push my pedal near the floor to stop properly and can make my brakes last quite a long time compared to other owners with similar set ups. You can still be fast and manage your consumables
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BTW the steel belts just help the tires grip a little more
I ran the Hankook C50s and C70s I personally loved them for me they were easy to drive and showed little wear. C70s were 1.2 seconds a lap faster than C50s with 4 more heat cycles ( @ Mid-O)
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I think some life was left in the pads. Here is a picture of what really worn pads look like. They are off a saab we ran in the 24 hours of lemons and decided not to in the last few hours to replace the pads. When the cylinders get into the rotors, you seem to lose 90% of the braking capacity.
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Perhaps it would be a good idea to consider why this might not be the path to lowest overall cost. By using equipment so worn that there is virtually no safety factor left, the chance of catastrophic failure is much higher. One significant incident could cost more than many years of consumables. That is assuming no injuries are involved...
Do you really want to share the track with a car using these items?
There is a significant amount of rubber left on the inside edge of the tires. Either more negative camber or stiffer suspension to hold the camber setting is needed. Tires would clearly last longer and provide higher levels of grip. You could also try rotating the tires on the rims when they reach half life.
Dean
Do you really want to share the track with a car using these items?
There is a significant amount of rubber left on the inside edge of the tires. Either more negative camber or stiffer suspension to hold the camber setting is needed. Tires would clearly last longer and provide higher levels of grip. You could also try rotating the tires on the rims when they reach half life.
Dean
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Yes.
While I may use older tires and crap at "non-points" venues, I still use the stuff up.
While I may use older tires and crap at "non-points" venues, I still use the stuff up.
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ZO6s in TTA cannot run a stiffer spring but you can put about ~4 degrees of camber in (I do). I flip the tires to even wear on the edges.
CMP does that to most brake pads....though at VIR two summers ago you could see the rotor through the holes in the front pads. I swapped them for a used set at that point.
Yep - I was driving the Saab also - I think we got the good out of them. Stuck in 3rd gear, no clutch, no brakes, no problems....
The backing plates have pretty good intial bite but drop off quickly.
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Maybe I'm overly concerned but I had 100% brake failure last year due to thin pads/thin rotor in a rental race car during a W2W race. Fortunately I was only going 35-40 mph over normal entry speed and was able to get the car halfway around the 180 degree sweeper before hitting the tire wall (no real damage but stuck). Glad no one was on the outside of me. If it had happened in the Z06 I would have been going 70-80 mph too fast...
I haven't dwelled on the incident and still drive just as agressively, but I watch the equipment more closely.
Just a thought...
Dean
I haven't dwelled on the incident and still drive just as agressively, but I watch the equipment more closely.
Just a thought...
Dean