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Old 01-05-2009, 09:37 PM
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:51 PM
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What happened to the tires seriously over heated?
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lol i would say you did
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Originally Posted by RusherRacing
What happened to the tires seriously over heated?
I'm to fast for HOOSIERS so that's why I had to switch to Hankooks
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lol no you just didn't back off when you should have... Are those A6's or R6's.

How do you like the Hankooks which ones did you go with?
Old 01-05-2009, 10:13 PM
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That looks vaguely familiar...I corded my front tires a month or two ago on the track. I thought the front end was pushing a bit. An alignment seems to have cured the problem...no issues last time out.

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Old 01-06-2009, 12:19 AM
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if you live in a house you can insulate your house w all those used race tires, then you can tell the PC Greenies you reduced your carbon footprint
Old 01-06-2009, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by L98Terror
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Hell a little Sho-Goo on those tires and there good to go a few more rounds.
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Originally Posted by Wayne O
That looks vaguely familiar...I corded my front tires a month or two ago on the track. I thought the front end was pushing a bit. An alignment seems to have cured the problem...no issues last time out.
You need more camber in order to stop killing the edges of the tires. More camber will also give you better cornering.

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Old 01-06-2009, 05:14 PM
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I always wear my race tires to the cords and brake pads till the metal shows. Toyos work the best just before they're garbage.
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Running Hoosiers with stock allignment is a big no no. With about -2.5+ I get a full season (8-10 days) no problem. Last year, I was able to get more. I had the same Hoosiers for the first few events of the new season.

It is HPDE, no trophies. Work on being smooth, maximize you lines to the absolute last centimeter, use all the of the track and when you are done braking, take your foot completely off the pedal quickly. I have learned many techniques over the years on how to be fast and maximize brakes and tires.

While it is great to dive into every corner with everything you got, braking just a wee bit sooner and with only the amount of pedal pressure required to stop the car will save a tremendous amount of brake pad. I find I rarely ever have to push my pedal near the floor to stop properly and can make my brakes last quite a long time compared to other owners with similar set ups. You can still be fast and manage your consumables
Old 01-06-2009, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 95jersey

It is HPDE, no trophies.
Not in this case, he is racing.

But, I can't say I squeeze everything out of my stuff the way L98Terror does. I've seen him drive and fear no amount of camber would save his tires!
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Originally Posted by RusherRacing
lol no you just didn't back off when you should have... Are those A6's or R6's.

How do you like the Hankooks which ones did you go with?
Those are the old A5S05s or something the A6s and R6s do fair better. I remeber at Grattan I had a stickers set that I pealed back in 12 hot laps


BTW the steel belts just help the tires grip a little more

I ran the Hankook C50s and C70s I personally loved them for me they were easy to drive and showed little wear. C70s were 1.2 seconds a lap faster than C50s with 4 more heat cycles ( @ Mid-O)
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Originally Posted by dvandentop
lol i would say you did
I think some life was left in the pads. Here is a picture of what really worn pads look like. They are off a saab we ran in the 24 hours of lemons and decided not to in the last few hours to replace the pads. When the cylinders get into the rotors, you seem to lose 90% of the braking capacity.

Old 01-06-2009, 07:01 PM
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Perhaps it would be a good idea to consider why this might not be the path to lowest overall cost. By using equipment so worn that there is virtually no safety factor left, the chance of catastrophic failure is much higher. One significant incident could cost more than many years of consumables. That is assuming no injuries are involved...


Originally Posted by L98Terror
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Do you really want to share the track with a car using these items?



Originally Posted by gonzalezfj
You need more camber in order to stop killing the edges of the tires. More camber will also give you better cornering.

Frank Gonzalez


There is a significant amount of rubber left on the inside edge of the tires. Either more negative camber or stiffer suspension to hold the camber setting is needed. Tires would clearly last longer and provide higher levels of grip. You could also try rotating the tires on the rims when they reach half life.

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Old 01-06-2009, 07:22 PM
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Yes.

While I may use older tires and crap at "non-points" venues, I still use the stuff up.

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Old 01-06-2009, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kentz06
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Do you really want to share the track with a car using these items?

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I did....that is one of my cars in the background. I believe those were SO4s - we were both burning through them that weekend. What an awful tire.

ZO6s in TTA cannot run a stiffer spring but you can put about ~4 degrees of camber in (I do). I flip the tires to even wear on the edges.

CMP does that to most brake pads....though at VIR two summers ago you could see the rotor through the holes in the front pads. I swapped them for a used set at that point.

Yep - I was driving the Saab also - I think we got the good out of them. Stuck in 3rd gear, no clutch, no brakes, no problems....

The backing plates have pretty good intial bite but drop off quickly.
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Maybe I'm overly concerned but I had 100% brake failure last year due to thin pads/thin rotor in a rental race car during a W2W race. Fortunately I was only going 35-40 mph over normal entry speed and was able to get the car halfway around the 180 degree sweeper before hitting the tire wall (no real damage but stuck). Glad no one was on the outside of me. If it had happened in the Z06 I would have been going 70-80 mph too fast...

I haven't dwelled on the incident and still drive just as agressively, but I watch the equipment more closely.

Just a thought...

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