Take it to the Next Level, Racing with Michelin Slicks
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Take it to the Next Level, Racing with Michelin Slicks
These are the Full Pilot Racing Slick. The 'customer' slicks are the same tires that won the GT3 category in Europe. I am not aware of a faster tire over a 30 minute stint available for purchase.
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For maximum grip and handling, Bowmanized is proud to to announce the Michelin Pilot Racing Slick is available for track domination. These Available in sizes that are made for 18x10 to 18x13.
Available now on the website. Please feel free to purchase at your convenience.
Mike @ Bowmanized
Here is some more info
For maximum grip and handling, Bowmanized is proud to to announce the Michelin Pilot Racing Slick is available for track domination. These Available in sizes that are made for 18x10 to 18x13.
Available now on the website. Please feel free to purchase at your convenience.
- Benefits:
- Quick, consistent lap times from the 1st lap to the checkered flag
- Predictable handling for both professional and amateur driving
- Excellent front/rear handling balance
- Quick turn-in and high levels of steady-state cornering
- Consistent quality found in every Michelin tire
- Features:
- Tire architecture and tread compounding developed through Michelin's motorsport programs
- Precise sizing and tire profile developed through professional racing series applications
Mike @ Bowmanized
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Sounds like good tires, but superlatives without a point of comparison are useless.
1) So how do these supertires compare to the lowly Hoosier A6 and R6 DOT slicks?
2) How much do these supertires cost?
3) Do they offer C6Z sizes?
4) How long will they last at the track compared to the lowly Hoosiers?
5) How many heat cycles before they lose grip?
Thanks,
Frank Gonzalez
1) So how do these supertires compare to the lowly Hoosier A6 and R6 DOT slicks?
2) How much do these supertires cost?
3) Do they offer C6Z sizes?
4) How long will they last at the track compared to the lowly Hoosiers?
5) How many heat cycles before they lose grip?
Thanks,
Frank Gonzalez
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Sounds like good tires, but superlatives without a point of comparison are useless.
1) So how do these supertires compare to the lowly Hoosier A6 and R6 DOT slicks?
4) How long will they last at the track compared to the lowly Hoosiers?
5) How many heat cycles before they lose grip?
1) So how do these supertires compare to the lowly Hoosier A6 and R6 DOT slicks?
4) How long will they last at the track compared to the lowly Hoosiers?
5) How many heat cycles before they lose grip?
If you have seen data on any racing tires that quantitatively lists steady state G levels, longevity and heat cycles before they lose grip. Please post them. I would love to see it. Other than laptimes and wins, every description of tire performance is either a superlative or a slam.
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Sounds like good tires, but superlatives without a point of comparison are useless.
1) So how do these supertires compare to the lowly Hoosier A6 and R6 DOT slicks?
2) How much do these supertires cost?
3) Do they offer C6Z sizes?
4) How long will they last at the track compared to the lowly Hoosiers?
5) How many heat cycles before they lose grip?
Thanks,
Frank Gonzalez
1) So how do these supertires compare to the lowly Hoosier A6 and R6 DOT slicks?
2) How much do these supertires cost?
3) Do they offer C6Z sizes?
4) How long will they last at the track compared to the lowly Hoosiers?
5) How many heat cycles before they lose grip?
Thanks,
Frank Gonzalez
2) Depends on what size you get. Normally $1425 shipped.
3) Yes as long as you have 18" wheels we can find a setup for you
4) Probably wear similar to the R6. Few weekends and they are done.
5) Again, there are so many factors I can't say exactly. I'd say between 3-6 weekends.
All the people I talked to set their personal best or track records after going to the Michelins. Teams in GT3 don't have access to the Michelin 'evolution' tires that some GT1 and GT2 cars can lease. These same tires were on the winning GT3 cars last season.
I have a lot of repeat customers so I know for a fact they work great.
Thanks,
Mike
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Frank:
If you have seen data on any racing tires that quantitatively lists steady state G levels, longevity and heat cycles before they lose grip. Please post them. I would love to see it. Other than laptimes and wins, every description of tire performance is either a superlative or a slam.
If you have seen data on any racing tires that quantitatively lists steady state G levels, longevity and heat cycles before they lose grip. Please post them. I would love to see it. Other than laptimes and wins, every description of tire performance is either a superlative or a slam.
I did not expect to get strictly-derived scientific data, but rather some opinions on performance compared to other tires we may be familiar with, like the R6s, A6s, 710s, or Pirelli Neros.
All tires lose grip as they age, but some age considerably more gracefully than others. Some only have a few good qualifying laps in them before they start to go away. A6s, for example wear out considerably faster than R6s, but that's the price you pay for better grip.
If you want engineering data on race tires, you need to develop it yourself, a costly proposition with today's tire prices. Lap times are only useful as a measure of tire performance when run on the same day, with the same driver and the same car in the same track. Otherwise there are too many other variables to accurately assess tire performance.
Hope the above explains my intentions.
Frank Gonzalez
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1) A6s will be faster on lap 1 until the Michelins heat up and then the slicks will be faster, given the driver knows how to push.
2) Depends on what size you get. Normally $1425 shipped.
3) Yes as long as you have 18" wheels we can find a setup for you
4) Probably wear similar to the R6. Few weekends and they are done.
5) Again, there are so many factors I can't say exactly. I'd say between 3-6 weekends.
All the people I talked to set their personal best or track records after going to the Michelins. Teams in GT3 don't have access to the Michelin 'evolution' tires that some GT1 and GT2 cars can lease. These same tires were on the winning GT3 cars last season.
I have a lot of repeat customers so I know for a fact they work great.
Thanks,
Mike
2) Depends on what size you get. Normally $1425 shipped.
3) Yes as long as you have 18" wheels we can find a setup for you
4) Probably wear similar to the R6. Few weekends and they are done.
5) Again, there are so many factors I can't say exactly. I'd say between 3-6 weekends.
All the people I talked to set their personal best or track records after going to the Michelins. Teams in GT3 don't have access to the Michelin 'evolution' tires that some GT1 and GT2 cars can lease. These same tires were on the winning GT3 cars last season.
I have a lot of repeat customers so I know for a fact they work great.
Thanks,
Mike
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Sounds like good tires, but superlatives without a point of comparison are useless.
1) So how do these supertires compare to the lowly Hoosier A6 and R6 DOT slicks?
2) How much do these supertires cost?
3) Do they offer C6Z sizes?
4) How long will they last at the track compared to the lowly Hoosiers?
5) How many heat cycles before they lose grip?
Thanks,
Frank Gonzalez
1) So how do these supertires compare to the lowly Hoosier A6 and R6 DOT slicks?
2) How much do these supertires cost?
3) Do they offer C6Z sizes?
4) How long will they last at the track compared to the lowly Hoosiers?
5) How many heat cycles before they lose grip?
Thanks,
Frank Gonzalez
Testing on Michelins with two different Corvettes and drivers has shown 2 seconds a lap better than Hoosier R 6's or any other tire out there at Phoenix International Raceway (PIR).
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Hey Frank! It's Darrell Covert -Realty Executives #96 gridded next to you for two years at Nationals.
Testing on Michelins with two different Corvettes and drivers has shown 2 seconds a lap better than Hoosier R 6's or any other tire out there at Phoenix International Raceway (PIR).
Testing on Michelins with two different Corvettes and drivers has shown 2 seconds a lap better than Hoosier R 6's or any other tire out there at Phoenix International Raceway (PIR).
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Hey Frank! It's Darrell Covert -Realty Executives #96 gridded next to you for two years at Nationals.
Testing on Michelins with two different Corvettes and drivers has shown 2 seconds a lap better than Hoosier R 6's or any other tire out there at Phoenix International Raceway (PIR).
Testing on Michelins with two different Corvettes and drivers has shown 2 seconds a lap better than Hoosier R 6's or any other tire out there at Phoenix International Raceway (PIR).
Best,
Frank Gonzalez
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As Mike's title suggests, these tires are for the next level.
Take note, they are true racing slicks whereas the Hoosiers R6s/A6s are not. Consequently, the Michelins require a bit more negative camber to take full advantage of.
The best performance is usually the 2nd and 3rd heat cycles from an HPDE perspective, all out racing as Frank suggested deteriorates each lap.
In Chicago we are forced to run tires like Hoosiers early in the season because the colder temps can cause severe damage to slicks. As 96solo mentioned, the Michelins are night and day a better performer, but you need the alignment and suspension to reap full benefit.
Mike
Take note, they are true racing slicks whereas the Hoosiers R6s/A6s are not. Consequently, the Michelins require a bit more negative camber to take full advantage of.
The best performance is usually the 2nd and 3rd heat cycles from an HPDE perspective, all out racing as Frank suggested deteriorates each lap.
In Chicago we are forced to run tires like Hoosiers early in the season because the colder temps can cause severe damage to slicks. As 96solo mentioned, the Michelins are night and day a better performer, but you need the alignment and suspension to reap full benefit.
Mike
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With a truly solid setup (metal everywhere!), I can definitely see the true benefit of running slicks, but since I dont have spherical bearings yet, I was curious as to what your thoughts were about running slicks with poly ?
Seems like it would transfer most, if not all, of the extra "grip"/energy into the bushings (point of least resistance) and they would simply end up deflecting more and negate the potential gain in "stick" and/or ruin your bushings at an accelerated pace...
Sorry for the lame comparison, but kinda makes me think about back when 16x DVD burners first came out, but you could only (realistically) buy 8x writeable DVDs...everyone bought the burners, but didnt realize they werent gaining anything since the media they used couldnt reap the benefits...
Seems like it would transfer most, if not all, of the extra "grip"/energy into the bushings (point of least resistance) and they would simply end up deflecting more and negate the potential gain in "stick" and/or ruin your bushings at an accelerated pace...
Sorry for the lame comparison, but kinda makes me think about back when 16x DVD burners first came out, but you could only (realistically) buy 8x writeable DVDs...everyone bought the burners, but didnt realize they werent gaining anything since the media they used couldnt reap the benefits...
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You can absolutely run them with poly bushings. I ran them with the stock bushings. As long as you have adequate camber there is no reason you need solid bushings. The tire doesn't know which kind of bushings are in the car.
The tire compound is what makes you fast. The guy with the most grip wins 9 out of 10 times, and these will certainly help.
Thanks so much,
Mike
The tire compound is what makes you fast. The guy with the most grip wins 9 out of 10 times, and these will certainly help.
Thanks so much,
Mike
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