Grand Sport can beat Z06's
08-16-2010, 04:44 PM
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Grand Sport can beat Z06's
Wow! I knew that title would draw attention!
Ran my first NCCC auto cross this weekend. They class the GS with the Z06s , rather than the LS3s from '08-'11. So ; I had 3 Z06s to contend with, in my class. Out of 7 races ; I won 2 ; came in 2nd five times.
Course was about 1 mile long ; my best lap was a 56.10 seconds - which means we averaged over 60 mph.
I learned more that day about this car ; than I ever would driving on the street for years!
Had a blast !
Ran my first NCCC auto cross this weekend. They class the GS with the Z06s , rather than the LS3s from '08-'11. So ; I had 3 Z06s to contend with, in my class. Out of 7 races ; I won 2 ; came in 2nd five times.
Course was about 1 mile long ; my best lap was a 56.10 seconds - which means we averaged over 60 mph.
I learned more that day about this car ; than I ever would driving on the street for years!
Had a blast !
08-16-2010, 06:37 PM
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Glad you had fun. Hope to see you at a convention in the future.
They class the GS's with the Z06s becasuse of the suspension setup. The GS's have the same suspension just differnet motors. On most autocross tracks, the HP of the motor has less to do with your time than the suspension/tires/driver skill. The 70hp advantage the Z06 has over you isn't that much when you get up into that hp range. You most likely won't even be able to use all your hp on most courses, let alone a Z06.
They class the GS's with the Z06s becasuse of the suspension setup. The GS's have the same suspension just differnet motors. On most autocross tracks, the HP of the motor has less to do with your time than the suspension/tires/driver skill. The 70hp advantage the Z06 has over you isn't that much when you get up into that hp range. You most likely won't even be able to use all your hp on most courses, let alone a Z06.
08-17-2010, 07:35 PM
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SG- Congrats on the FTD's! Sounds like you had a heck of a weekend!
They class the GS's with the Z06s becasuse of the suspension setup. The GS's have the same suspension just differnet motors. On most autocross tracks, the HP of the motor has less to do with your time than the suspension/tires/driver skill. The 70hp advantage the Z06 has over you isn't that much when you get up into that hp range. You most likely won't even be able to use all your hp on most courses, let alone a Z06.
I have to disagree with the NCCC's classing. While you are correct in the statement that the Z06 cannot use the horsepower advantage at most low-speed autocrosses, what about the high-speeds? One must also take into account the weight difference between the Z06 and the Grand Sport.
If they don't think the horsepower difference is an issue, then why did the ZR-1 wind up in it's own class vs. the LT4/LT1 cars?
I also don't agree that the C5Z and C6 base models are classed differently. I think competition would be a lot better if you stuck those cars together, though I understand that classing also goes by generation.
Either way, I'm an NCCC guy all the way, don't ever plan on running the SCCA's tight miata courses any longer. Just wish the powers-to-be with the NCCC would focus more on actual competition and listen to the racers.
They class the GS's with the Z06s becasuse of the suspension setup. The GS's have the same suspension just differnet motors. On most autocross tracks, the HP of the motor has less to do with your time than the suspension/tires/driver skill. The 70hp advantage the Z06 has over you isn't that much when you get up into that hp range. You most likely won't even be able to use all your hp on most courses, let alone a Z06.
I have to disagree with the NCCC's classing. While you are correct in the statement that the Z06 cannot use the horsepower advantage at most low-speed autocrosses, what about the high-speeds? One must also take into account the weight difference between the Z06 and the Grand Sport.
If they don't think the horsepower difference is an issue, then why did the ZR-1 wind up in it's own class vs. the LT4/LT1 cars?
I also don't agree that the C5Z and C6 base models are classed differently. I think competition would be a lot better if you stuck those cars together, though I understand that classing also goes by generation.
Either way, I'm an NCCC guy all the way, don't ever plan on running the SCCA's tight miata courses any longer. Just wish the powers-to-be with the NCCC would focus more on actual competition and listen to the racers.
08-17-2010, 08:53 PM
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thanks for the kudo's ; no FTDs ; just class wins and seconds.
I'm with you ; a Z51 is closer to a Grand sport ; than a Grand Sport is to a Z06! The Z51 cars run with base cars.
When average speed is over 60 mph ;Z06 HP does come into play!
I'm with you ; a Z51 is closer to a Grand sport ; than a Grand Sport is to a Z06! The Z51 cars run with base cars.
When average speed is over 60 mph ;Z06 HP does come into play!
08-17-2010, 09:00 PM
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08-17-2010, 09:09 PM
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SG- Congrats on the FTD's! Sounds like you had a heck of a weekend!
I have to disagree with the NCCC's classing. While you are correct in the statement that the Z06 cannot use the horsepower advantage at most low-speed autocrosses, what about the high-speeds? One must also take into account the weight difference between the Z06 and the Grand Sport.
If they don't think the horsepower difference is an issue, then why did the ZR-1 wind up in it's own class vs. the LT4/LT1 cars?
I also don't agree that the C5Z and C6 base models are classed differently. I think competition would be a lot better if you stuck those cars together, though I understand that classing also goes by generation.
Either way, I'm an NCCC guy all the way, don't ever plan on running the SCCA's tight miata courses any longer. Just wish the powers-to-be with the NCCC would focus more on actual competition and listen to the racers.
I have to disagree with the NCCC's classing. While you are correct in the statement that the Z06 cannot use the horsepower advantage at most low-speed autocrosses, what about the high-speeds? One must also take into account the weight difference between the Z06 and the Grand Sport.
If they don't think the horsepower difference is an issue, then why did the ZR-1 wind up in it's own class vs. the LT4/LT1 cars?
I also don't agree that the C5Z and C6 base models are classed differently. I think competition would be a lot better if you stuck those cars together, though I understand that classing also goes by generation.
Either way, I'm an NCCC guy all the way, don't ever plan on running the SCCA's tight miata courses any longer. Just wish the powers-to-be with the NCCC would focus more on actual competition and listen to the racers.
In reality, very few high speed events are put on each year as compared to low speed. That was a trade off the RCD commitee decided was ok.
The first year or two of the C6, they were in the J class. After looking at quite a few results from events, it was decided the C6s wern't able to keep up with the C5Z06.
The old ZR-1 was put into it's own class because of the wider bodywork/suspension it had and the exotic LT-5 motor. At the time, the LT-1 cars didn't have the wider 11" wheels in the back and they didn't want the LT-1 cars to be able to use them.
The new ZR1 was put into a different class because of the supercharger. If they put The ZR1 in the same class as a Z06, then in group 2 a Z06 would be able to run a ZR-1 supercharger on their LS7 because of the update/backdate rules.
Alot of the rules come down to people who run that class and don't want somebody else to have an advantage over them. It has started to trend towards making classing better over the last few years. Besides, in reality, the classing system is pretty much negated with the introduction of teh FTD system we have now. Now you compete against your FTD subgroup for points more so than your class. I know my dad has tried to push for less classes.
As the son of a former VP comp and current RCD, I too am a diehard lifetime NCCC member. I don't like running with SCCA unless I need to sort something new I did to my car.
