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Old 09-11-2011, 12:07 PM
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Monza...................WOW LOTSA action....

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I thought it might have been Alonzo's day in the beginning with that great start.
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Liuzzi the biggest bozo of the race.

Schumacher needed a black flag for the crap he was pulling with Hamilton.
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Originally Posted by Don Keefhardt

Schumacher needed a black flag for the crap he was pulling with Hamilton.
Srsly, he should know better. I think he was protecting vettel.
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I enjoyed it all like was said, lots of action
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Lots of overtaking in that race. Fun to watch. More F1 tracks should be like that. Higher speed, less downforce = more passing.

And I agree that Schumacher was definitely blocking....should have gotten a drive through penalty.
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Agree with all. Great start, lots of action. MS blocking. What a race!
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Originally Posted by Rednels
Lots of overtaking in that race. Fun to watch. More F1 tracks should be like that. Higher speed, less downforce = more passing.

And I agree that Schumacher was definitely blocking....should have gotten a drive through penalty.
I haven't seen the race, but penalties for blocking should be getting punted into the wall. WTF wuss racing.
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Originally Posted by mgarfias
I haven't seen the race, but penalties for blocking should be getting punted into the wall. WTF wuss racing.
how do you do that in a F1 car?
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Originally Posted by mgarfias
I haven't seen the race, but penalties for blocking should be getting punted into the wall. WTF wuss racing.
That works in NASCAR, but in open wheel ALL of the drivers know that the hitter is just as likely to be killed or seriously injured as the hittee (and certainly out of the race). My opinion is that REALLY good drivers can and DO make miraculously close racing and passes WITHOUT contact.
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I'm changing the name of my car to "Corvettel".
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If all the F1 races were like that I would actually make an effort to see them all instead of just casually catching them when I can!
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one of the better races I have seen in F1 in a while.

Now if Schumi can just make it up a couple of spots. Sorry he is still my favorite bar none.
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Originally Posted by Anthony @ LGMotorsports
one of the better races I have seen in F1 in a while.

Now if Schumi can just make it up a couple of spots. Sorry he is still my favorite bar none.
heading for forty four would like to see him win a few more. Funny the only racing I watched all year is F-1 except Le Mans. I have rolex and alms on dvr for the whole season. Missed last F-1 race due to hurricane Irene which came with in 6" of coming in the house.

Now how does DRS activate with in one second of the car in front of it? Or should I say what prevents it from activating if the following car is 1.1 seconds back?

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heading for forty four would like to see him win a few more. Funny the only racing I watched all year is F-1 except Le Mans. I have rolex and alms on dvr for the whole season. Missed last F-1 race due to hurricane Irene which came with in 6" of coming in the house.

Now how does DRS activate with in one second of the car in front of it? Or should I say what prevents it from activating if the following car is 1.1 seconds back?
John, my understanding (F1 Racing magazine) is that it's all (DRS and KERS) driver actuated, and the actuation/deactivation points are some lines painted on the track........so nothing except fear of penalty determines where the DRS is activated. For instance....did you notice tha in Qualifying, all drivers used DRS (flap OPEN) ALL the way around the track except in the turns? I didn't know that was allowed.....
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Indeed a good race! It was really good for me this weekend as I took the wife on a date night to see Senna on Sat. night. Sad ending but it was really good.

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Originally Posted by rmackintosh
If all the F1 races were like that I would actually make an effort to see them all instead of just casually catching them when I can!
You may want to go back and watch the rest of this season. Monza was a great race, but it ranks about 5th best on the season so far. The Canadian GP was the best race I've seen, and Monza was on it's way to being the best until there was a red flag and the teams went to new rubber (rule change in order).
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Originally Posted by Anthony @ LGMotorsports
one of the better races I have seen in F1 in a while.

Now if Schumi can just make it up a couple of spots. Sorry he is still my favorite bar none.
I thought MS drove a fantastic race. The rule should allow for one move off the line and one back to it, and one move only in the DRS zone.
They all say Hamilton is the best at overtaking, but he needed a little radio help on Sunday. Also thoroughly enjoyed when MS came back around him on the outside of 3.
No doubt in my mind that if he was in a RedBull, he would be fighting for the championship.
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Originally Posted by 63Corvette
John, my understanding (F1 Racing magazine) is that it's all (DRS and KERS) driver actuated, and the actuation/deactivation points are some lines painted on the track........so nothing except fear of penalty determines where the DRS is activated. For instance....did you notice tha in Qualifying, all drivers used DRS (flap OPEN) ALL the way around the track except in the turns? I didn't know that was allowed.....
Here's the skinny on DRS that I have edited down from a bigger Q&A sesssion (pre season) with Charlie Whiting. At the time they were still working the bugs out and determining exactly how it would be used but nothing in this is at all off base.

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Via the on track electronic timing system at designated points on the
circuit, when the trailing car is within one second of the car ahead the
system will be armed and the driver will have access to the system. He
will not however be able to use the system until another designated
point of the track around 600 metres before the next corner. The last
point is subject to ongoing adjustment as the system is bedded in.
There will be markings on the circuit to indicate the points where the
timing assessment is made and where the driver may use the system to
assist spectators and TV viewers.

The FIA has also been quick to point out the system does not
guarantee overtaking, merely that the driver will have a additional tool
at his disposal to assist with passing. In the end the driver will still
have to execute the move on track.

Also as the system is controlled electronically there is no chance of
the system being used to interfere with the race via race control to
determine the result of the race. In event of any issues with the
system there is a override built in to allow its use if instructed by
Race Control.


Selected comments on the system by Charlie Whiting, FIA Formula One Race Director:

There is an actuator in each wing which is under the control of the
driver at all times, however, it can only be used when the on-board
electronics (FIA ECU) notify the driver that he is authorised to use it.

Proximity to the car in front will be detected before the straight on
which the wing may be activated, if the car behind is less than one
second behind (as judged by the installed timing loops in the track) the
driver will be told that his system is "armed", however, he may only use
it when he reaches the designated point on the following straight. This
point is likely to be 600 metres before the braking point for the
following corner, this may however be adjusted according data gathered
during testing and practice.

It should be remembered though that the distance over which the Drag
Reduction System (DRS) may be used is going to be tuned with the
intention of assisting the following driver, not guaranteeing him an
overtaking manoeuvre.

The adjustable rear wing may be used freely in practice and qualifying,
in any place on any lap. It will therefore not be used as an overtaking
device during these sessions but more of a means to gain lap time,
however, it will mean that the car is geared correctly for the race. If
its use was prohibited or restricted in qualifying teams would have
little incentive to gear the car purely for the race at the expense of
qualifying performance.

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