Autocrossing & Roadracing Suspension Setup for Track Corvettes, Camber/Caster Adjustments, R-Compound Tires, Race Slicks, Tips on Driving Technique, Events, Results
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Road course and hpde mods

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-19-2012, 09:34 PM
  #1  
Toilets
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
Toilets's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,259
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts

Default Road course and hpde mods

Just curious as to what mods people are running and still maintaining reliability on the course?

Mods as in engine performance (hp/tq)

Thanks
Old 04-19-2012, 09:58 PM
  #2  
Bill Dearborn
Tech Contributor
 
Bill Dearborn's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: Charlotte, NC (formerly Endicott, NY)
Posts: 40,084
Received 8,926 Likes on 5,332 Posts

Default

Mods should be safety, reliability and brakes first, followed by wheel/tire improvements as your experience level increases. Engine mods don't help much until you get good enough to use the incremental difference in power they provide. Even if you get a big boost to ZR1 torque levels if you don't know how to handle all of that mid range torque you won't be able to drive the car as fast as one with several hundred less pound feet of torque.

Bill
Old 04-19-2012, 10:02 PM
  #3  
jaa1992
Le Mans Master
 
jaa1992's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2001
Location: Life is just one big track event. Everything before and after is prep and warm-up and cool-down laps GA
Posts: 7,977
Received 13 Likes on 12 Posts
Cruise-In III Veteran
Cruise-In IV Veteran
St. Jude Donor '12

Default

Don't change a freaking thing!

Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!

What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
Old 04-19-2012, 10:03 PM
  #4  
Toilets
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
Toilets's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,259
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
Mods should be safety, reliability and brakes first, followed by wheel/tire improvements as your experience level increases. Engine mods don't help much until you get good enough to use the incremental difference in power they provide. Even if you get a big boost to ZR1 torque levels if you don't know how to handle all of that mid range torque you won't be able to drive the car as fast as one with several hundred less pound feet of torque.

Bill
I like this approach. I'm just starting out in the roadcourse world and was just curious. Not to mentioned my 1/4 mile friends keep poking fun at my measley 436hp. I try telling them the car is designed for road and autox courses but you know that goes.
Old 04-19-2012, 10:05 PM
  #5  
Toilets
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
Toilets's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,259
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by jaa1992
Don't change a freaking thing!

Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!

What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
It's a 2012 gs centennial edition 6spd with about 700 miles on the clock.

I changed the oil already and just got amsoil diff fluid and will be changing that next week.
Old 04-19-2012, 11:08 PM
  #6  
StKnoWhere
Tech Contributor
 
StKnoWhere's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2008
Location: St Louis MO
Posts: 1,378
Received 10 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by jaa1992
Don't change a freaking thing!

Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!

What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
Listen, watch, learn and have fun! A stock Vette is way more than enough car to start with.
Old 04-19-2012, 11:52 PM
  #7  
rayk
Drifting
 
rayk's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Maple Grove MN
Posts: 1,355
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by StKnoWhere
Listen, watch, learn and have fun! A stock Vette is way more than enough car to start with.
Get all the instruction you can until they aren't having to coach you. It's more about the driver then the car. You'll see all kinds of cars slower then your vette.
Old 04-19-2012, 11:54 PM
  #8  
redtopz
Melting Slicks
 
redtopz's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: Merced California
Posts: 3,155
Received 44 Likes on 27 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Toilets
It's a 2012 gs centennial edition 6spd with about 700 miles on the clock.

I changed the oil already and just got amsoil diff fluid and will be changing that next week.
Nice car . The last thing you need is more power. Drive it like a momentum car and you will be fast.
Old 04-20-2012, 07:17 AM
  #9  
AU N EGL
Team Owner
 
AU N EGL's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Location: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
Posts: 43,084
Likes: 0
Received 24 Likes on 24 Posts

Default

Mods

Contract patches

brake pads and brake fluid, brake cooling
Seats, harnesses
Tires


then nothing but seat time and more seat time
Old 04-20-2012, 07:57 AM
  #10  
topmover
Racer
Support Corvetteforum!
 
topmover's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2009
Location: St Pete Beach Florida
Posts: 466
Received 27 Likes on 22 Posts

Default

Forget about what your drag race friends tell you as HP becomes an endless pursuit as I've been there and done that. Everything these experianced guys have told you is what you need. Having started tracking my vettes two years ago now nearly 60 track days later if I had it to do over again I would "start" with the M6 GS so in my opinion your in a great spot in that regard. Unless you have alot of money to burn dont even think about engine mods at this point.

Once you get you brakes/fluid straight, max seat time and safety for 10-20 track days in as short a period of time possible. Once you do that you will have a much better feel for what you should or what you want do do.

Unless you think your car is going to be a full time track car I would put a clear bra on the nose, mirrors, half way up the hood and fenders and part of the rockers. If you find addition bad spots you can add painters tape.
Old 04-20-2012, 08:27 AM
  #11  
AU N EGL
Team Owner
 
AU N EGL's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Location: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
Posts: 43,084
Likes: 0
Received 24 Likes on 24 Posts

Default

Drag racing. Hmmm

lets say they are some what good and can run consistent 10 sec passes.

and they get 12 passes in a day

12 x 10 sec is 120 sec wow that is 2 MIN

and they go to the strip 10 times a year or 20 whole min

One HPDE session is 20 to 30 min

3 sessions per day 6 per event

even at 20 min a session x 6 that is 120 MIN or TWO HOURS

It will take your drag race friends 6 years of track experience to get what you did in one TWO day HPDE.

Not quite apples to apples, but you get the idea
Old 04-20-2012, 08:30 AM
  #12  
JeremyGSU
Drifting
 
JeremyGSU's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2008
Location: Ocala FL
Posts: 1,464
Received 32 Likes on 28 Posts

Default

Here's my take. Keep it close to stock. Why? Because once you start modding everything else becomes the weak link and decreases reliablitly.

I have an '04 C5 Z06. At first I wanted gobs of power but now I'm glad I kept it near stock. I have a Vararam intake and tune. It's making 376whp or roughly 425hp?

I found with brake ducting, upgraded rotors and pads the brakes were sufficient but not great. If I made a lot more power then I would need a BBK. Then your costs go way up on both the cost of the brakes, pads, and rotor replacement and I would need to go to 18" front wheels.

Suspension upgrades are always nice but I would leave the power near alone. I'm instructor with Chin and I passed a number of C6 Z06's last event. Not because my car is better but just because I have more seat time. Everybody always wants crazy power upgrades when they should just work on seat time first.

Also, the more you mod it the less reliable it becomes. The engine will be working hard and your clutch may not hold up, etc.

Just drive it for awhile. I was amazed what this Z could do nearly bone stock. My only complaint is while my exhaust sounds great on the street I can't really hear the thing on track with all the other cars around.
Old 04-20-2012, 08:47 AM
  #13  
jlutherva
Drifting
 
jlutherva's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Cartersville Georgia
Posts: 1,594
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Toilets
It's a 2012 gs centennial edition 6spd with about 700 miles on the clock.

I changed the oil already and just got amsoil diff fluid and will be changing that next week.
Save your time and $$ and shelve the Amsoil diffy fluid until next year. The OEM fluid will be just fine for few events. Once you are doing 6-10 events per year, you will want to change both it and the tranny fluid annually.

I did see somewhere in a post the max recommended track days; however for me, it just clicked as "change the diffy & tranny fluid every year". Perhaps someone will chime in with a better number??

WRT mods - my first mod after the first event was the Quantum Cooling kit and CarboTech pads (xp-10/XP-8). Then seat time.

Jim
Old 04-20-2012, 08:58 AM
  #14  
brkntrxn
Drifting
 
brkntrxn's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2009
Location: Mooresville NC
Posts: 1,926
Received 51 Likes on 42 Posts

Default

Study up on us PTA/TTA guys. We do more with 340-370rwhp than most anyone without aero. My car is DEtuned from stock so I can get down to minimum weight.
Old 04-20-2012, 09:35 AM
  #15  
jaa1992
Le Mans Master
 
jaa1992's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2001
Location: Life is just one big track event. Everything before and after is prep and warm-up and cool-down laps GA
Posts: 7,977
Received 13 Likes on 12 Posts
Cruise-In III Veteran
Cruise-In IV Veteran
St. Jude Donor '12

Default

Originally Posted by Toilets
It's a 2012 gs centennial edition 6spd with about 700 miles on the clock.

I changed the oil already and just got amsoil diff fluid and will be changing that next week.
Schweeeeeeeeeeettttt!
I've had a few students with the GS package.
Until you wear out your second or third set of tires in HPDE don't change nothing.
Since this is probably still street driven talk to the guys at Carbotech and Hawk about break pads. I think the stock ones are ceramic and not very good for the track.

If it was me I'd get Carbotech XP8 or 10 for the fronts, then a set of the autocross pads for the fronts to use on the street. Then XP8 for the rear.
Bed the "track" pads in, drive it for a couple of days, take them off and put on the "street" pads bed them in and drive it. At the track just swap in your "track" pads, before you go home swap back in the "street" pads. Nice thing is you don't have to swap rotors with the carbotech pads. The 10 front/8 rear is a good start. Your next set will be something more aggressive.
Old 04-20-2012, 10:37 AM
  #16  
Toilets
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
Toilets's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,259
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by brkntrxn
Study up on us PTA/TTA guys. We do more with 340-370rwhp than most anyone without aero. My car is DEtuned from stock so I can get down to minimum weight.
I'm in mooresville too btw. Do you know Alvin at PCM4less?
Old 04-20-2012, 10:39 AM
  #17  
Toilets
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
Toilets's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,259
Received 48 Likes on 36 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by jaa1992
Schweeeeeeeeeeettttt!
I've had a few students with the GS package.
Until you wear out your second or third set of tires in HPDE don't change nothing.
Since this is probably still street driven talk to the guys at Carbotech and Hawk about break pads. I think the stock ones are ceramic and not very good for the track.

If it was me I'd get Carbotech XP8 or 10 for the fronts, then a set of the autocross pads for the fronts to use on the street. Then XP8 for the rear.
Bed the "track" pads in, drive it for a couple of days, take them off and put on the "street" pads bed them in and drive it. At the track just swap in your "track" pads, before you go home swap back in the "street" pads. Nice thing is you don't have to swap rotors with the carbotech pads. The 10 front/8 rear is a good start. Your next set will be something more aggressive.
Exactly what I was thinking in regards to pads. After this event I will probably switch out the rotors as well and keep my stock ones as back ups

Get notified of new replies

To Road course and hpde mods

Old 04-20-2012, 11:10 AM
  #18  
Adam@Amp'dAutosport.com
Supporting Vendor
 
Adam@Amp'dAutosport.com's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2002
Location: Cleveland OH
Posts: 50,209
Received 492 Likes on 419 Posts
St. Jude Donor '11,'13

Default

Originally Posted by Toilets
Exactly what I was thinking in regards to pads. After this event I will probably switch out the rotors as well and keep my stock ones as back ups
I will be happy to set you up with brake pads. You can PM me or call the number below.
__________________
Adam Adelstein
Amp’D Autosport.com
Internet's largest retailer of Carbotech Performance Brake Pads.
PH:216-780-8825.
Email: sales@ampdautosport.com
Web Site & Direct ordering http://ampdautosport.com/
All major CC and Pay Pal accepted.
Check out Promo code:z28
Old 04-20-2012, 04:05 PM
  #19  
brkntrxn
Drifting
 
brkntrxn's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2009
Location: Mooresville NC
Posts: 1,926
Received 51 Likes on 42 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Toilets
I'm in mooresville too btw. Do you know Alvin at PCM4less?
Yes, Alvin tunes my car. He also used my car as the prototype for his oil cooler kit. PM me if you want to stop by and look at the car or have any questions.

Kevin
Old 04-21-2012, 09:50 PM
  #20  
69427
Tech Contributor
 
69427's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2004
Location: I tend to be leery of any guy who doesn't own a chainsaw or a handgun.
Posts: 18,350
Received 767 Likes on 549 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by AU N EGL
Drag racing. Hmmm

lets say they are some what good and can run consistent 10 sec passes.

and they get 12 passes in a day

12 x 10 sec is 120 sec wow that is 2 MIN

and they go to the strip 10 times a year or 20 whole min

One HPDE session is 20 to 30 min

3 sessions per day 6 per event

even at 20 min a session x 6 that is 120 MIN or TWO HOURS

It will take your drag race friends 6 years of track experience to get what you did in one TWO day HPDE.

Not quite apples to apples, but you get the idea


My philosophy is that I pass on any automotive activity where I spend more time fastening my helmet than I spend on the track.


Quick Reply: Road course and hpde mods



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:01 PM.