Road course and hpde mods
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Road course and hpde mods
Just curious as to what mods people are running and still maintaining reliability on the course?
Mods as in engine performance (hp/tq)
Thanks
Mods as in engine performance (hp/tq)
Thanks
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Mods should be safety, reliability and brakes first, followed by wheel/tire improvements as your experience level increases. Engine mods don't help much until you get good enough to use the incremental difference in power they provide. Even if you get a big boost to ZR1 torque levels if you don't know how to handle all of that mid range torque you won't be able to drive the car as fast as one with several hundred less pound feet of torque.
Bill
Bill
#3
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Don't change a freaking thing!
Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!
What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!
What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
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Mods should be safety, reliability and brakes first, followed by wheel/tire improvements as your experience level increases. Engine mods don't help much until you get good enough to use the incremental difference in power they provide. Even if you get a big boost to ZR1 torque levels if you don't know how to handle all of that mid range torque you won't be able to drive the car as fast as one with several hundred less pound feet of torque.
Bill
Bill
#5
Don't change a freaking thing!
Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!
What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!
What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
I changed the oil already and just got amsoil diff fluid and will be changing that next week.
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Don't change a freaking thing!
Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!
What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
Seat time is the best "mod" you'll ever do!
What year and model Corvette do you have?
Saw your other post that CMP will be your first event - brake pads and fluid will be your only "mod" for this event. Need to know about your Corvette first though.
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Forget about what your drag race friends tell you as HP becomes an endless pursuit as I've been there and done that. Everything these experianced guys have told you is what you need. Having started tracking my vettes two years ago now nearly 60 track days later if I had it to do over again I would "start" with the M6 GS so in my opinion your in a great spot in that regard. Unless you have alot of money to burn dont even think about engine mods at this point.
Once you get you brakes/fluid straight, max seat time and safety for 10-20 track days in as short a period of time possible. Once you do that you will have a much better feel for what you should or what you want do do.
Unless you think your car is going to be a full time track car I would put a clear bra on the nose, mirrors, half way up the hood and fenders and part of the rockers. If you find addition bad spots you can add painters tape.
Once you get you brakes/fluid straight, max seat time and safety for 10-20 track days in as short a period of time possible. Once you do that you will have a much better feel for what you should or what you want do do.
Unless you think your car is going to be a full time track car I would put a clear bra on the nose, mirrors, half way up the hood and fenders and part of the rockers. If you find addition bad spots you can add painters tape.
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Drag racing. Hmmm
lets say they are some what good and can run consistent 10 sec passes.
and they get 12 passes in a day
12 x 10 sec is 120 sec wow that is 2 MIN
and they go to the strip 10 times a year or 20 whole min
One HPDE session is 20 to 30 min
3 sessions per day 6 per event
even at 20 min a session x 6 that is 120 MIN or TWO HOURS
It will take your drag race friends 6 years of track experience to get what you did in one TWO day HPDE.
Not quite apples to apples, but you get the idea
lets say they are some what good and can run consistent 10 sec passes.
and they get 12 passes in a day
12 x 10 sec is 120 sec wow that is 2 MIN
and they go to the strip 10 times a year or 20 whole min
One HPDE session is 20 to 30 min
3 sessions per day 6 per event
even at 20 min a session x 6 that is 120 MIN or TWO HOURS
It will take your drag race friends 6 years of track experience to get what you did in one TWO day HPDE.
Not quite apples to apples, but you get the idea
#12
Drifting
Here's my take. Keep it close to stock. Why? Because once you start modding everything else becomes the weak link and decreases reliablitly.
I have an '04 C5 Z06. At first I wanted gobs of power but now I'm glad I kept it near stock. I have a Vararam intake and tune. It's making 376whp or roughly 425hp?
I found with brake ducting, upgraded rotors and pads the brakes were sufficient but not great. If I made a lot more power then I would need a BBK. Then your costs go way up on both the cost of the brakes, pads, and rotor replacement and I would need to go to 18" front wheels.
Suspension upgrades are always nice but I would leave the power near alone. I'm instructor with Chin and I passed a number of C6 Z06's last event. Not because my car is better but just because I have more seat time. Everybody always wants crazy power upgrades when they should just work on seat time first.
Also, the more you mod it the less reliable it becomes. The engine will be working hard and your clutch may not hold up, etc.
Just drive it for awhile. I was amazed what this Z could do nearly bone stock. My only complaint is while my exhaust sounds great on the street I can't really hear the thing on track with all the other cars around.
I have an '04 C5 Z06. At first I wanted gobs of power but now I'm glad I kept it near stock. I have a Vararam intake and tune. It's making 376whp or roughly 425hp?
I found with brake ducting, upgraded rotors and pads the brakes were sufficient but not great. If I made a lot more power then I would need a BBK. Then your costs go way up on both the cost of the brakes, pads, and rotor replacement and I would need to go to 18" front wheels.
Suspension upgrades are always nice but I would leave the power near alone. I'm instructor with Chin and I passed a number of C6 Z06's last event. Not because my car is better but just because I have more seat time. Everybody always wants crazy power upgrades when they should just work on seat time first.
Also, the more you mod it the less reliable it becomes. The engine will be working hard and your clutch may not hold up, etc.
Just drive it for awhile. I was amazed what this Z could do nearly bone stock. My only complaint is while my exhaust sounds great on the street I can't really hear the thing on track with all the other cars around.
#13
Drifting
I did see somewhere in a post the max recommended track days; however for me, it just clicked as "change the diffy & tranny fluid every year". Perhaps someone will chime in with a better number??
WRT mods - my first mod after the first event was the Quantum Cooling kit and CarboTech pads (xp-10/XP-8). Then seat time.
Jim
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Le Mans Master
I've had a few students with the GS package.
Until you wear out your second or third set of tires in HPDE don't change nothing.
Since this is probably still street driven talk to the guys at Carbotech and Hawk about break pads. I think the stock ones are ceramic and not very good for the track.
If it was me I'd get Carbotech XP8 or 10 for the fronts, then a set of the autocross pads for the fronts to use on the street. Then XP8 for the rear.
Bed the "track" pads in, drive it for a couple of days, take them off and put on the "street" pads bed them in and drive it. At the track just swap in your "track" pads, before you go home swap back in the "street" pads. Nice thing is you don't have to swap rotors with the carbotech pads. The 10 front/8 rear is a good start. Your next set will be something more aggressive.
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I've had a few students with the GS package.
Until you wear out your second or third set of tires in HPDE don't change nothing.
Since this is probably still street driven talk to the guys at Carbotech and Hawk about break pads. I think the stock ones are ceramic and not very good for the track.
If it was me I'd get Carbotech XP8 or 10 for the fronts, then a set of the autocross pads for the fronts to use on the street. Then XP8 for the rear.
Bed the "track" pads in, drive it for a couple of days, take them off and put on the "street" pads bed them in and drive it. At the track just swap in your "track" pads, before you go home swap back in the "street" pads. Nice thing is you don't have to swap rotors with the carbotech pads. The 10 front/8 rear is a good start. Your next set will be something more aggressive.
I've had a few students with the GS package.
Until you wear out your second or third set of tires in HPDE don't change nothing.
Since this is probably still street driven talk to the guys at Carbotech and Hawk about break pads. I think the stock ones are ceramic and not very good for the track.
If it was me I'd get Carbotech XP8 or 10 for the fronts, then a set of the autocross pads for the fronts to use on the street. Then XP8 for the rear.
Bed the "track" pads in, drive it for a couple of days, take them off and put on the "street" pads bed them in and drive it. At the track just swap in your "track" pads, before you go home swap back in the "street" pads. Nice thing is you don't have to swap rotors with the carbotech pads. The 10 front/8 rear is a good start. Your next set will be something more aggressive.
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Drag racing. Hmmm
lets say they are some what good and can run consistent 10 sec passes.
and they get 12 passes in a day
12 x 10 sec is 120 sec wow that is 2 MIN
and they go to the strip 10 times a year or 20 whole min
One HPDE session is 20 to 30 min
3 sessions per day 6 per event
even at 20 min a session x 6 that is 120 MIN or TWO HOURS
It will take your drag race friends 6 years of track experience to get what you did in one TWO day HPDE.
Not quite apples to apples, but you get the idea
lets say they are some what good and can run consistent 10 sec passes.
and they get 12 passes in a day
12 x 10 sec is 120 sec wow that is 2 MIN
and they go to the strip 10 times a year or 20 whole min
One HPDE session is 20 to 30 min
3 sessions per day 6 per event
even at 20 min a session x 6 that is 120 MIN or TWO HOURS
It will take your drag race friends 6 years of track experience to get what you did in one TWO day HPDE.
Not quite apples to apples, but you get the idea
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