C5 Z06 pads vs. Hawk Hp Plus for autocross.
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C5 Z06 pads vs. Hawk Hp Plus for autocross.
I've almost always used Hawk Hp Plus pads for autocross. There's was one time I used Hawk HPS. This was my first time with stock C5 Z06 pads. For my car and driving style, the stock pads were much better in modulation and confidence. Those Hawk pads would grab way to hard with little modulation. Plus "Ice Mode" quite frequently. This opinion is for autocross only. Thought someone might benefit in making a pad decision.
Steve A.
Steve A.
#2
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I have a C5 front brake conversion on my '87 and I use Z06 pads in front and Hawk HPS on the rears for autocross. I think the compounds for the two are somewhat similar and the braking performance is about the same. I also installed the DRM brake bias spring and that helped balance the braking effort.
I have used the HP+ padd before and while they are also good autocross pads, they do need some heat in them to work. I have tried dragging the brakes while moving up in grid and while that helps some, it's better no heat. Also found that the HP+ pads do dust heavily and it's not a good idea to leave the dust on the wheels if it gets wet and then dries before you have a chance to remove the dust.
I have used the HP+ padd before and while they are also good autocross pads, they do need some heat in them to work. I have tried dragging the brakes while moving up in grid and while that helps some, it's better no heat. Also found that the HP+ pads do dust heavily and it's not a good idea to leave the dust on the wheels if it gets wet and then dries before you have a chance to remove the dust.
#3
Le Mans Master
Steve,
Your opinions match mine; the Z-rated pads are excellent for autox. I think the HP+ pads have more brake torque, and as you mention they bite really hard on initial application. However, if you get through that initial bite then they do modulate fairly well.
I'm learning this the hard way on my LS1 Miata without ABS.
Have a good one,
Mike
Your opinions match mine; the Z-rated pads are excellent for autox. I think the HP+ pads have more brake torque, and as you mention they bite really hard on initial application. However, if you get through that initial bite then they do modulate fairly well.
I'm learning this the hard way on my LS1 Miata without ABS.
Have a good one,
Mike
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The AX6™ is specifically engineered for Autocross applications. A high torque brake compound delivering reliable and consistent performance over a very wide operating temperature range of 50°F to 1100°F + (10°C to 593°C+). The advanced compound matrix provides an excellent initial bite, high coefficient of friction at lower temperatures along with very progressive brake modulation and release characteristics. AX6™ offers high fade resistance, rotor friendliness at all temperatures and excellent cold stopping power. As a result, AX6™ is an excellent choice for Autocross and has gained tremendous popularity with SCCA Prosolo/Solo2 competitors for its outstanding all around performance. Many drivers use the AX6™ for street driving as well, even though Carbotech™ doesn't recommend street driving with AX6™ due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise. AX6™ is NOT recommended as race compounds in most applications. For application questions please call or email Carbotech™.
Carbotech™ AX6™
The AX6™ is specifically engineered for Autocross applications. A high torque brake compound delivering reliable and consistent performance over a very wide operating temperature range of 50°F to 1100°F + (10°C to 593°C+). The advanced compound matrix provides an excellent initial bite, high coefficient of friction at lower temperatures along with very progressive brake modulation and release characteristics. AX6™ offers high fade resistance, rotor friendliness at all temperatures and excellent cold stopping power. As a result, AX6™ is an excellent choice for Autocross and has gained tremendous popularity with SCCA Prosolo/Solo2 competitors for its outstanding all around performance. Many drivers use the AX6™ for street driving as well, even though Carbotech™ doesn't recommend street driving with AX6™ due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise. AX6™ is NOT recommended as race compounds in most applications. For application questions please call or email Carbotech™.
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#6
Le Mans Master
I have used both the OEM Z pads and the HPS pads and i guess it all depends on your driving style. The HPS for me works better as I like that initial bite and I've never had ice mode come up with them on.
The Z pad does have maybe a little more modulation in general, I've never noticed it in an apparent way.
The HP+ to me is far more agressive and needs more heat than you normally would build at an event.
One thing I didn't notice is whether you're running in a stock class or something modified? SSM? SSP? XP ?
that to me would be the bigger question. If you're running something that's a little faster with allot more speed you're carrying or something like that, it would maybe warrant the better pads.
The Z pad does have maybe a little more modulation in general, I've never noticed it in an apparent way.
The HP+ to me is far more agressive and needs more heat than you normally would build at an event.
One thing I didn't notice is whether you're running in a stock class or something modified? SSM? SSP? XP ?
that to me would be the bigger question. If you're running something that's a little faster with allot more speed you're carrying or something like that, it would maybe warrant the better pads.
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