Z06_Bob

I have a pair of Schroth harnesses with the camlocks in new looking condition, but unfortunately they expired in 2008. Because they expired I haven't bothered to try and sell them. Do you think that they might be worth something to someone that autox's or does DE's?

GTSC5R

They would be, but I would imagine not much. What color are they? My old set expired also, but nothing wrong with them and may upgrade to these "newer" expired ones. Let me know. Thanks

NealB

Most belt manufacturers will reweb for a small fee

For example, Crow does it for $50 plus shipping using all your hardware

waddisme

G-Force is $110 to re-webb and new is $150 for cam-lock. For hpde, I don't think I have ever seen any tech person check date, but for safety, I will replace mine after this year as they are 2007 and I think I read somewhere that 5 years is the max. Hard to throw away 2 sets of new looking harnesses, but best to be safe.

Cory M

I have sold several expired belts for $50 each to people with DE cars, off-road, etc

and I've had belts rewebbed by Crow, M&R, and Autopower

95jersey

You can use expired belts for HPDE, just not racing.

RDnomorecobra

The fine print of some HPDE clubs says they have to be current, but I've never seen anyone check them.

Bill Dearborn

A number of years ago I saw a safety presentation by Joe Marko of HMS Motorsports. Nylon belts lose about 60% of their strength over a 30 month time period thus the SFI two year rule. Polyester belts do much better and that is why they are the ones that can meet the FIA 5 year rule.

The belts lose their strength due to Sun Exposure. What a lot of people don't know is belts lose strength in the way they are used. If you have a 3 inch belt that is folded over due to going around a seat edge or some other obstruction the belt strength is no more than the narrowest section so make sure your belts are not folded. What this means is a 3 inch lap belt that has a fold where it enters the seat pass through will only have 1/3 of its rated strength if the smallest part of the fold is 1 inch.

Bill

John Shiels

Personally I think if that was true the belts on many cars would be useless. Also the nylon slings used in construction would be gone in short order. Safety harnesses have 5 year life with OSHA. I do believe polyester ropes last longer too.

Han Solo

I think it's just another racing tax. I defy you to break a racing harness of any age.

VGLNTE1

sure they do...you dont need up to date ones for HPDEs...i am looking for a set myself

doje

They'd also be great for the autocross folks. No autocross group will ever check dates since harnesses aren't even required. They give you a much better "seat of the pants" feel for your car.

the blur

Simpon will discount you on a new set, if you send in the old tags.

parkerracing

Sell 'em to somebody with a simulator...

DOUG @ ECS

I have sold a bunch of out dated belts on flebay for $50, it's a shame though and I do not agree with the two year rule. (someone is in bed with someone there..)

Bill32

In SCCA:

The SFI 2 year rule only applies to Club & Pro Racing.

For Time Trials and Club Trials, SFI belts can be 5 years old.
FIA belts, as always have the expiration date on the label.

The time requirement for belts is waived for PDX (HPDE).

Bill - SCCA Chief of Tech

BTW, I don't agree with the 2 year thing but I go by the rules as written.

davidfarmer

I have straps in my trailer that are 20 years old, been used in open and closed trailers. I've never lost a car yet! NASA DE and TT allow expired harnesses, as long as they are in "very good condition"

11.4.8 Seatbelts and Harnesses
The seatbelts should be in good condition. No damage may be present on the seatbelts
and they must be the factory configuration. Any harness or any restraint system, other
than factory stock, shall conform to CCR section #15.5, in all respects except for the
expiration regulations. Harnesses that are expired for racing may be used providing that
they are in at least very good condition. The use of a lap belt without any shoulder
restraint is not permitted. Passenger seatbelts must meet the same minimum
requirements per the CCR as the driver seatbelts if being used by a passenger. Notepassenger equipment need not match the installed equipment on the driver’s side. See
Section 11.3 for more about four point harnesses.

AU N EGL

I am with David on this one

as long as they are in "VERY GOOD condition"

We are OK with them.

Tom

waddisme

Good to know. Mine look brand new, just didn't make sense having to trash them. I think I will keep them for awhile. Seems like I have plenty of other places to put $300 ($740 for 2 skf hubs)

jawfixer

Always good for a little bondage with your significant other