Need help with Values 1969 427/400 Tri Power
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Need help with Values 1969 427/400 Tri Power
This car has factory air, p/s, p/b, side pipes and is Monaco Orange/Black. Very Nice car. 427 CI 400 HP TriPower 4 Spd and matching #s. Whats it worth retail?
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Beautiful car!
Condition is everything so it's hard to say without details and a lot more pics.
It could be worth, based on the one picture, $20K-$90K.
I'm looking for that car in Daytona Yellow but it doesn't need so many options. Anyone have one for sale?
It could be worth, based on the one picture, $20K-$90K.
I'm looking for that car in Daytona Yellow but it doesn't need so many options. Anyone have one for sale?
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I would say if everything is as he says, numbers matching, specs, "very nice car" , etc. then that tells us about 90% of what we need to know. What else is there besides miles of course. Has options listed. Has engine and trans listed (I guess you could argue m20 or m21). Condition is very nice which could be a broad term but not $20k to $90k broad. I would say there is a good amount to go on here. My guess would be between $45-55k based on miles and actual past history items that could affect value. There are similar ones out there for that range so that is my guess.
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Melting Slicks
Real driveline? Documentation?
I'd like to hear more.
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Stan Falenski
I'd like to hear more.
Regards,
Stan Falenski
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What's it worth? All depends on how similar it is now (sitting abandoned by all it's previous caretakers in a dealer showroom) to how it actually left the factory. After 46 years, anything could have been done to it by any number of owners. It may be a cobbled-together base motor car with a new coat of lipstick and a re-stamped big block...mechanically worn out and rattle-canned underneath and loaded with reproduction parts...or it could be a real original drivetrain L68 side pipe car with most, if not all, correct date-coded components...and all the original factory documentation to back it up...and a complete owner history, otherwise known as provenance...and correctly restored to original factory finishes and mechanical/electrical condition. The former type of car is quite common. The latter type is quite rare...and therefore more desirable...and far more valuable. They usually exchange hands between private parties and are rarely sold to dealers.
Heck...I have seen some restorations alone cost well over $100k.
What is the dealer asking for it?
Heck...I have seen some restorations alone cost well over $100k.
What is the dealer asking for it?
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The pic appears to show the car at a dealer's. Are you wanting to buy or sell?
If possibly buying, what are they asking?
If possibly buying, what are they asking?
#9
Melting Slicks
I believe this car is for sale on buyavette.net.
They are asking $85999. the sequential last 6 digits of the vin are 729034.
The stamp pad looks ok but I am no expert.
They make no mention of any documentation so that's not good. Also it's missing all the smog equipment. The engine data console plate is a bad repro.
It's still a very nice car but not even close to the top flight price they are asking
They are asking $85999. the sequential last 6 digits of the vin are 729034.
The stamp pad looks ok but I am no expert.
They make no mention of any documentation so that's not good. Also it's missing all the smog equipment. The engine data console plate is a bad repro.
It's still a very nice car but not even close to the top flight price they are asking
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If you watch the video on the website, the rear valance shows side exhaust was added. The narrator's lack of knowledge does nothing to instill confidence. This car has many deficits...starting with a suspicious suffix code on the engine pad stamp...ending with a reproduction window sticker. Sure has a shiny new paint job though and after all, it is a convertible!
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Burning Brakes
Looks like a rattle can job on the underside of the car. Everything was sprayed black. Doesnt mean that they are hiding anything, but will be a PIA for anyone to take back to original. The guy mentions "solidly coated" as if it is a good thing that all of the underside of the car was coated.
Dennis is correct,this is not a factory N14 car. That being said, it does not hurt the value of this car. The sidepipes are not original as they are aluminized steel, but the pipes and covers (even if repro) can be sold for more than the cost of the correct undercar exhaust system and the rear valence panel can easily be changed with a few bolts.
This is a late car, is the solenoid for the AC present on the drivers side of the carbs? If not, it is VERY EXPENSIVE ($3-4k)
Are all of the components original and properly dated? Carb, intake, exhaust, heads, starter, etc?
The smog pump and hoses are missing, but they can be purchased. Were the holes in the exhaust manifolds plugged or were the manifolds changed?
Does the car have any paperwork? I feel like paperwork is more important for a car like this to verify the options. Make sure to have a good look at that stamp pad, especially if the carb and intake dates dont line up as it could be a measly 390hp car that someone swapped to 400.
You can also look to see if the car has a single fuel line or a return line as the 390 cars had a return line.
In terms of value...I think this car is probably worth 60-80k assuming the frame and birdcage are rust free and the body shows no signs of damage and the paint and finish are nice. Buyavette cars are generally 20% overpriced. I have stopped in 2 or 3 times and most of the cars are really not that nice in person, but this is likely a consignment.
Dennis is correct,this is not a factory N14 car. That being said, it does not hurt the value of this car. The sidepipes are not original as they are aluminized steel, but the pipes and covers (even if repro) can be sold for more than the cost of the correct undercar exhaust system and the rear valence panel can easily be changed with a few bolts.
This is a late car, is the solenoid for the AC present on the drivers side of the carbs? If not, it is VERY EXPENSIVE ($3-4k)
Are all of the components original and properly dated? Carb, intake, exhaust, heads, starter, etc?
The smog pump and hoses are missing, but they can be purchased. Were the holes in the exhaust manifolds plugged or were the manifolds changed?
Does the car have any paperwork? I feel like paperwork is more important for a car like this to verify the options. Make sure to have a good look at that stamp pad, especially if the carb and intake dates dont line up as it could be a measly 390hp car that someone swapped to 400.
You can also look to see if the car has a single fuel line or a return line as the 390 cars had a return line.
In terms of value...I think this car is probably worth 60-80k assuming the frame and birdcage are rust free and the body shows no signs of damage and the paint and finish are nice. Buyavette cars are generally 20% overpriced. I have stopped in 2 or 3 times and most of the cars are really not that nice in person, but this is likely a consignment.
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Melting Slicks
60 to 80k for an undocumented 69 400hp???
I don't think they are selling for that much.
Anybody willing to pay in that range will find a much better car, they may not be evrywhere but they are out there.
The silly repro data console plate lets me know that whoever did this car did not do there proper research with regard to good restoration parts. What else is lurking underneath the vaneer?
This vette is very nice, just not nice enough for the top tier price range. They might get close to 50k at one of the bigger auctions just because nobody seems to care about anything except for winning and overpaying lately.
One thing that could save this car is if the tank sticker is still there and in good shape. Never know
I don't think they are selling for that much.
Anybody willing to pay in that range will find a much better car, they may not be evrywhere but they are out there.
The silly repro data console plate lets me know that whoever did this car did not do there proper research with regard to good restoration parts. What else is lurking underneath the vaneer?
This vette is very nice, just not nice enough for the top tier price range. They might get close to 50k at one of the bigger auctions just because nobody seems to care about anything except for winning and overpaying lately.
One thing that could save this car is if the tank sticker is still there and in good shape. Never know
#16
Burning Brakes
60 to 80k if its a real legit car. Far less if no way to verify.
I agree that most 427 cars in this condition are worth about 50k, but add factory AC and 400hp/4 speed car and it becomes much more rare.
At the end of the day, only worth what someone is willing to pay.
Gary
I agree that most 427 cars in this condition are worth about 50k, but add factory AC and 400hp/4 speed car and it becomes much more rare.
At the end of the day, only worth what someone is willing to pay.
Gary
#18
Le Mans Master
There is NO C3 bringing $80k besides an L88 car. People lost their minds. Must be Pro Team selling it.
If that car is legit, perfect condition, fully documented etc etc, maybe $60k... And I think that's $10k optimistic.
Vette owner's egos are crazy these days. If it was a mid year, yeah that's a whole different ball game. That would be a $100k mid year
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I have a BB 67 and have been looking for a BB 68-72. The prices of the C3's are getting close to the C2's in many cases. I'll have to be patient in my search because people are asking, in my opinion, too much for their C3's.
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#20
Melting Slicks
+1
There is NO C3 bringing $80k besides an L88 car. People lost their minds. Must be Pro Team selling it.
If that car is legit, perfect condition, fully documented etc etc, maybe $60k... And I think that's $10k optimistic.
Vette owner's egos are crazy these days. If it was a mid year, yeah that's a whole different ball game. That would be a $100k mid year
There is NO C3 bringing $80k besides an L88 car. People lost their minds. Must be Pro Team selling it.
If that car is legit, perfect condition, fully documented etc etc, maybe $60k... And I think that's $10k optimistic.
Vette owner's egos are crazy these days. If it was a mid year, yeah that's a whole different ball game. That would be a $100k mid year
A 400hp would have a hard time getting that kind of price. The car would have to be a vert with AC and absolutely perfect with everything in order as above. And that would still be a shocker in this market.
Other than that, if I'm wrong, someone show me a recent sale that proves me wrong.
I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time but I just want to see it to believe it.
This car? No way.