MotorHead

Can get them new in the box at a good price, anyone have any comment on these heads for use in a C3, first on my 355 then a 406 I am building. How much better would they be over my Sportsman II heads ( non ported ) ?

Ironcross

215 Dart heads are serious heads. The 215`s are raised runners by .400. Before you buy these heads I would recommend calling Dart first. They have the proper parts needed to use them. They are not a direct bolt on and use. Check their web site for information and a 800 number. :thumbs: They are terrific heads and do add performance, well worth the money where as other heads do not actually improve performance and are merely a weight reduction. :thumbs: :cheers:


[Modified by Ironcross, 11:34 AM 3/17/2003]

MotorHead

Thanks for the info I guess the reason I don't see too many on C3's is because of the raised runners ? They are very popular at the drag strip up here.

LD85

I just bought a set from http://www.indyheads.com

Bought them for my 406 with bowl port, short turn radius polish and gasket match.

I paid, $999 for the heads with max .550 lift springs and $250 for the bowl, gasket etc work and $20 for the steam holes to be drilled.

All bolt hole patterns are for the SBC and there are temps sensor holes but am not sure if they are in the same place as stock, also the AC, Steering Pump etc holes etc are all there.

Also they are not raised runner heads!


[Modified by ld85, 4:27 PM 3/17/2003]

MCAF84

I use them with very good results. have not had or seen any problems
with port matching when using the correct intake gasket (felpro 1206) in my case. have used two different intakes edelbrock performer RPM and a victor jr. both were gasket matched to the 1206 gasket. even with my big cam (in sig.) I still have plenty of low end torque, more than my tires can hold. when i was head hunting i looked at .300 and .400 lift numbers to give me an idea of low speed throttle response these head had the same or better numbers than my edelbrock RPM heads that i was running at the time
hope this helps some
Mike

korvetkeith

wrong


[Modified by korvetkeith, 4:10 PM 3/17/2003]

wallyknoch

Whats wrong? :lol: He don`t know Motorhead. The number to call is 1 877 722 3327 and ask for George Delorian. Thats right, John Delorians brother. He works for Dart and knows his stuff. He can tell you exactly which to buy. Or if you want the 215`s he will advise you on what to do. :thumbs: Tell George I advised you to call him, Wally Knoch


[Modified by wallyknoch, 11:31 AM 3/18/2003]


[Modified by wallyknoch, 11:33 AM 3/18/2003]

MotorHead

I would like to know what is wrong too. :confused:

The only thing holding me back is the raised runners, I am not sure what issues I will run into when I try and bolt them on ?

I know some of the big block guys were complaining about this on BBC heads.


[Modified by MotorHead, 7:22 AM 3/18/2003]

LD85

John Keyes at Dart in Michigan says the 215 CC are standard runners, not raised :nonod:

MrJay

Id85is right the runners are stock and not raised by .400
Here are some info on the Dart 215 heads.

http://www.dartheads.com/sbpro215.htm

Jay

gkull

They are big runner (not raised runner) FelPro gasket size 1206 intake. They match up to any common larger runner intake like all the single planes. They come with 2.05/1.6 valves. I think that the Dart site lists tham at 286 intake CFM.

The exhausts stock are square port and they are raised @ .600 inches. It wasn't a big deal. My hooker Super Comp headers didn't even know the difference. I have the 64 cc angle plugs

The heads come with .100 longer valve stems. So I had to use .200 longer push rods and the ARP taller 7/16th studs when you get the larger 1.55 diameter roller cam springs.

MotorHead

Oh so it's the exhaust ports that are raised, just means you put the headers on higher, don't need any special adapters/parts ?

gkull

Nothing special about the exhaust bolt pattern. It's just a higher port for more flow. Your 1 5/8th header is probably about an exact match to the 215 cc unported exhaust port. I had a little work done and my 1 3/4 inch Hookers fit about right with a anti reversion lip on the bottom of the head port.

It has been my experience that some manufactures like Manley sells 2.055 intake valves. Other places sell 2.05. The difference is so small that they are interchangable on the same seat type.

you can order the 2.08/1.625 combo in the Dart 215 casting and it comes with factory machine and hand porting. But then it's really reclassed as the Dart 227 cc. That's what I have and I would tend to say that it would be over kill on anything less than 383 CI

TeenagerWith74Vette

Be prepared to spend at least $1000 dollars if you want to get those darts flowing like you need for a healthy 400. I ended up spending well over a thousand dollars to get my 215 Dart Pro 1s flowing good.

I'm actually thinking about selling mine if you're interested.

Jay

LD85

What is "flowing well" specifically?

jerryjfunk

"My hooker Super Comp headers didn't even know the difference. I have the 64 cc angle plugs"

Gkull, do you know if Super Comps will fit with straight plug Dart Pro 1's?

Thanks,
Jerry

jerryjfunk

"wrong"

I think he said that because other heads are not just a weight reduction. Whoever said that made it sound like other aluminum heads did not offer better performance, which is obviously false. In fact, I think AFR 215s flow just as good or better than Dart Pro 215s. Brodix and Canfield make compareable heads as well.

Jerry

LD85

I am using the Dart-215 CC heads with my Hooker 2151-1's, Both Hooker and Dart said they will fit but I wont know for sure till @ 1 week form now.

MCAF84

Yes the super comps fit just fine with straight plug heads this is what i have

Mike

gkull

I pretty sure that my super comps were made for angle plug heads. When I had them on staight plug heads 2-3 of the plugs you couldn't get a rachet and extension on. You had to put a plug type socket on the plug and then use an open end to turn the socket. The back passenger plug was easiest to remove from below the car.

Now with my last two types of angle plugs its a easy job. I just think that angle plugs have better spark placement.

I'm still waiting on a big brown truck from comp and Crane cams. :leaving: