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Old 02-21-2010, 10:21 AM   #21
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I don't think that much water could freeze "solid" where you live
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Old 02-21-2010, 10:25 AM   #22
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I know how you feel. Last year the apron around my in ground shifted and started to bend the frame. I had to have the concrete apron removed and replaced. That's a lot of mod money sitting out there now.

Good luck George.
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Old 02-21-2010, 10:27 AM   #23
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I really think that you got your monys worth at 15 years....in this climate...
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Old 02-21-2010, 10:37 AM   #24
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Every winter, it freezes solid.
I drain 1/3 to 1/2 the water.
Throw 2 baketballs in, cover it up.
I installed this (doughboy) in 1988.
Replaced the original liner in 2007 (25mil/25 yr liner), with a 20mil/20 yr liner.

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Old 02-21-2010, 10:37 AM   #25
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Around here we always drain all but a couple feet (to keep things in shape) in the winter


Did something that for 12 upstate NY winters. We drained a 1/3 put a cover on the pool and threw in a bunch of gallon plastic milk containers full of water to hold the cover from blowing. After a couple snow storms the cover was locked in place.

When the weather got warmer and things started to melt I would insert a siphon hose and draw off the water sitting under the snow/ ice. We never used a balloon. A couple of my neighbors had used the method above for years before I bought our pool with no problems!

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Old 02-21-2010, 01:14 PM   #26
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I really think that you got your monys worth at 15 years....in this climate...
That is how I feel right now. I never really loved it to begin with. When we bought the house, I said, "That fugly thing is coming down".
Once I got it up and running, we decided to keep it. It pisses me off that I just bought a ton of new stuff for it at the end of the season. Cover, balloons, solar cover, ladder, chemicals, etc.

The dog will miss it.

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Old 02-21-2010, 01:17 PM   #27
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that sucks
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Old 03-14-2010, 01:18 PM   #28
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So-update.

Insurance adjuster comes out and gives me her assessment.

According to this girl, the weight of the ice in the pool caused the panels to burst and the uprights to bow.
Yes, you are reading that correctly. Her assertion is that once water freezes, it becomes heavier than water and caused the pool to buckle. Since it was due to negligence of not taking the ice off the pool, coverage was denied due to a part of my policy that says damage caused by excess weight of snow or ice isn't covered.
I called my agent and explained that I wanted another opinion.
They sent out a pool specialist who looked at it for a minute and explained exactly what happened. The top of all above ground pools freeze, as do the sides.
There was a panel failure that caused a leak. Once the water leaked out, the sides, which were big ice walls, tumbled in, causing the burst panels and bent uprights due to mechanical leveraging of huge slabs of ice, not actual ice expansion. Now I have to wait and see how my insurance company weasels out of this.
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If it wasn't thousands of dollars, I'd be laughing right now.

Check this out
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/waterproperties.html

Water is unusual in that the solid form, ice, is less dense than the liquid form, which is why ice floats.

But it looks like ice is about 1/2 a lb heavier than water
Here's a quick rundown of some of water's properties:
◦Weight: 62.416 pounds per cubic foot at 32F
◦Weight: 61.998 pounds per cubic foot at 100F
◦Weight: 8.33 pounds/gallon, 0.036 pounds/cubic inch
◦Density: 1 gram per cubic centimeter (cc) at 39.2F, 0.95865 gram per cc at 212F
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I asked the ins adjsuter if adding ice cubes to my drink would cause the glass to blow out and explode, due to the weight and all.
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above ground pools are what, $500-$1k tops?
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I asked the ins adjsuter if adding ice cubes to my drink would cause the glass to blow out and explode, due to the weight and all.
I'd be asking around for a new insurance company once you get finished with these idjits.
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I've never had my pool totally freeze solid....We've had 2 month stretches of below freezing weather, day and night, and never has that happened...Like another poster did though, I would drain as much off the top as the weather permitted, even if it was in January or February....Weight kills as you found out...Insurance companies suck !
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I've never had my pool totally freeze solid....We've had 2 month stretches of below freezing weather, day and night, and never has that happened...Like another poster did though, I would drain as much off the top as the weather permitted, even if it was in January or February....Weight kills as you found out...Insurance companies suck !
WTF? You're talking a few hundred pounds difference plus ICE FLOATS
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WTF? You're talking a few hundred pounds difference plus ICE FLOATS
And expands......
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what is the reason for adding 'balloons' or basketballs to the pool?
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what is the reason for adding 'balloons' or basketballs to the pool?
was thinking the same thing
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what is the reason for adding 'balloons' or basketballs to the pool?
It distributes the weight evenly to the walls....and gives an outlet for pressure in the center.
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So-update.

Insurance adjuster comes out and gives me her assessment.

According to this girl, the weight of the ice in the pool caused the panels to burst and the uprights to bow.
Yes, you are reading that correctly. Her assertion is that once water freezes, it becomes heavier than water and caused the pool to buckle. Since it was due to negligence of not taking the ice off the pool, coverage was denied due to a part of my policy that says damage caused by excess weight of snow or ice isn't covered.
I called my agent and explained that I wanted another opinion.
They sent out a pool specialist who looked at it for a minute and explained exactly what happened. The top of all above ground pools freeze, as do the sides.
There was a panel failure that caused a leak. Once the water leaked out, the sides, which were big ice walls, tumbled in, causing the burst panels and bent uprights due to mechanical leveraging of huge slabs of ice, not actual ice expansion. Now I have to wait and see how my insurance company weasels out of this.

Panel failure caused the problem. Fastguy has had this same pool in that same exact location for many years. Only had a problem this year.
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It distributes the weight evenly to the walls....and gives an outlet for pressure in the center.
hhmm learn something new every day
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