Underrated muscle
#41
Completely different car sans drivetrain, turbo TA's still ran 13's stock., regular GN's are capable of some crazy times, those engines were built solid , 87 GN's regularly whipped corvettes at the strip, talk about holding value, and going up,nice GN's are more than original sticker, the GNX even in this weak market go for 70's, an a/c equiped 10 second GN will be my defiantly be my next car
#43
Drifting
Thank goodness the factory Olds pace car effort fishtailed and crashed in the '71 Indy 500, because it allowed Hurst to step in and handle the '72 race, which included some Vista Cruiser wagon support vehicles with 455, scoops, and wild decals!
World's first SUV!!
World's first SUV!!
#46
Le Mans Master
What it really comes down too , is as nice as the Turbo TA is, Buick motor or not, it is still a 3rd gen f-body, so its not nearly as special.
I also don't think it had the special suspension that loaded up the rear that. The GNX came with., the GNX is just a special car and the only muscle car in the 80's that has tripled its value in some cases, over doubled the value in most cases .
The car right now is worth more than most used Zr1's'!!, I will have a GN soon, I won't bother with a GNX cause I want to mod the car and drive it.
#47
Anybody remember the Dodge Omni GLH-S?
I had a buddy who had 22 Turbo Dodges in his yard, just so he could have one "nice" Omni.
Til the county came by and made him clean up. As they probably should have.
I had a buddy who had 22 Turbo Dodges in his yard, just so he could have one "nice" Omni.
Til the county came by and made him clean up. As they probably should have.
#48
Instructor
Thread Starter
Of the European cars 1979-81 M535i was the first M sedan BMW made. It did 0-60 mph in 7 seconds and had a top speed of 140 mph. Some were gray market imported into North America in the early '80s, along with the 745i turbo. 745i was around 55 grand in 1982, lol.
BMW 5-er
#49
Get Some!
There are some rides that were well respected, popular, or both, back in the day. The special cars Hurst and Oldsmobile collaborated on qualify, what others can you think of?
Hurst/Olds
SD 455 T/A
Hurst/Olds
SD 455 T/A
#50
Instructor
Thread Starter
Today, I don't think the SD 455 Trans Am or Formulas are as well known as they used to be. There was an earlier and later 455 HO (1971/72 and 1975/76) which has confused things for the younger crowd who might not know the distinction.
#51
"Giant Killer" 1966 Chevy II SS L-79 327/350 under 3000 pounds....retailed for $3,210
What’s now known as the “second generation” was introduced in 1966. When the car underwent a massive redesign, it produced a much sharper-edged look. The car featured an almost fastback-like rear window and deck lid, as well as more-pronounced front fenders and wider grill. But what really showed that the car had arrived on the muscle car scene was the L79 option offered by Chevrolet.
This small block 327-cubic-inch beast produced 350 horsepower, well exceeding the hallowed ground of one-horsepower-per-cubic-inch goal hot rodders sought. Straight from the factory, this engine already had the parts needed to make it get down the track, making the need to head down to the nearest speed shop a waste of time. Forged high-compression pistons, a high-performance camshaft, over-sized valves, an aluminum intake and a four-barrel Holley carburetor made this car a terror right off the showroom floor. And to top it all off, the motor came with chrome valve covers and an oil cap to make it all come together. Buckle all that up with the factory Muncie four speed and you had a combination that was hard to beat.
The body sat on a 110-inch wheelbase with an overall length of 183 inches and a curbside weight of less than 3,000 pounds. Forty-one colors were available, either in one solid finish or an endless combination of two-tones that would satisfy the most picky owner. Interior options such as AM/FM push-button radios, rear window defrosters, tinted windows and the standard front buckets and center console made the ride a comfortable one. Add power steering, power brakes and factory air conditioning and you had the best of both worlds: luxury and performance.
There were only 5,481 L79 models made in 1966. Only six examples were made in 1967 before GM dropped the option altogether. After 45 years, the car is one of the more sought-after classic cars by muscle car enthusiasts, and finding one for less the $40,000 is a challenge. The 1966 Chevy II was a lightweight, high-output giant killer that surprised many a big block at the light and on the track. In 1966 Chevy showed the muscle car world how it was done and created a legend.
This small block 327-cubic-inch beast produced 350 horsepower, well exceeding the hallowed ground of one-horsepower-per-cubic-inch goal hot rodders sought. Straight from the factory, this engine already had the parts needed to make it get down the track, making the need to head down to the nearest speed shop a waste of time. Forged high-compression pistons, a high-performance camshaft, over-sized valves, an aluminum intake and a four-barrel Holley carburetor made this car a terror right off the showroom floor. And to top it all off, the motor came with chrome valve covers and an oil cap to make it all come together. Buckle all that up with the factory Muncie four speed and you had a combination that was hard to beat.
The body sat on a 110-inch wheelbase with an overall length of 183 inches and a curbside weight of less than 3,000 pounds. Forty-one colors were available, either in one solid finish or an endless combination of two-tones that would satisfy the most picky owner. Interior options such as AM/FM push-button radios, rear window defrosters, tinted windows and the standard front buckets and center console made the ride a comfortable one. Add power steering, power brakes and factory air conditioning and you had the best of both worlds: luxury and performance.
There were only 5,481 L79 models made in 1966. Only six examples were made in 1967 before GM dropped the option altogether. After 45 years, the car is one of the more sought-after classic cars by muscle car enthusiasts, and finding one for less the $40,000 is a challenge. The 1966 Chevy II was a lightweight, high-output giant killer that surprised many a big block at the light and on the track. In 1966 Chevy showed the muscle car world how it was done and created a legend.
#52
I know this tread has been resurrected from the dead (4 years) but if you can show me a v8 with a roots 671 blower w/carbs on top that you can use a clutch system to turn on and off ---- I all buy ya one! Basic mechanical knowledge hmm, get you sum.
#53
Instructor
Thread Starter
The European Capri was a simple and sporty machine. With hindsight Ford USA should have gone with the European Escort and Capri, and not bothered even developing Pinto or Mustang II. A Canuck Capri 302 would have been neat. Would have liked to see that speedo climb to 230 kph!
In 1982 Capri Euro was faster than the Mustang GT 5.0
Then there was the 302 V8 powered South African Perana Capri.
Perana Capri 302
In 1982 Capri Euro was faster than the Mustang GT 5.0
Then there was the 302 V8 powered South African Perana Capri.
Perana Capri 302
#54
Race Director
#56
Grand National/T-Type/Turbo T/GNX
The car is/was confused as a Monte Carlo SS or dogged for having a V6.
The car is/was confused as a Monte Carlo SS or dogged for having a V6.
#57
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1969 Camaro ZL-1 - Made possible by Fred Gibb
69 Total made - Fred ordered 50 of them to make it happen. Rated at 425hp, and I'm sure you've all heard the claimed 500+hp rumours.
Any L88 Corvette - GM actually rated the L88 lower HP than the L71, but the discerning purchaser, if he read and knew about the L88, knew it was the powerhouse.
I would also say 1969 Corvette ZL-1 but it's not muscle and only 2 were made. Same goes for the L88 Vette's, although more were produced.
Agreed on all Syclone, Typhoon, and GN comments. GM did a great job setting up those vehicles with Turbo 6's.
Also like the DZ302 Z/28 Camaros. The Boss 302 Mustangs were also nasty.
69 Total made - Fred ordered 50 of them to make it happen. Rated at 425hp, and I'm sure you've all heard the claimed 500+hp rumours.
Any L88 Corvette - GM actually rated the L88 lower HP than the L71, but the discerning purchaser, if he read and knew about the L88, knew it was the powerhouse.
I would also say 1969 Corvette ZL-1 but it's not muscle and only 2 were made. Same goes for the L88 Vette's, although more were produced.
Agreed on all Syclone, Typhoon, and GN comments. GM did a great job setting up those vehicles with Turbo 6's.
Also like the DZ302 Z/28 Camaros. The Boss 302 Mustangs were also nasty.
#58
Team Owner
There are some rides that were well respected, popular, or both, back in the day. The special cars Hurst and Oldsmobile collaborated on qualify, what others can you think of?
Hurst/Olds
SD 455 T/A
Hurst/Olds
SD 455 T/A
#59
Team Owner
The European Capri was a simple and sporty machine. With hindsight Ford USA should have gone with the European Escort and Capri, and not bothered even developing Pinto or Mustang II. A Canuck Capri 302 would have been neat. Would have liked to see that speedo climb to 230 kph!
In 1982 Capri Euro was faster than the Mustang GT 5.0
Capri 2.8 Injection You Tube
Then there was the 302 V8 powered South African Perana Capri.
Perana Capri 302
In 1982 Capri Euro was faster than the Mustang GT 5.0
Capri 2.8 Injection You Tube
Then there was the 302 V8 powered South African Perana Capri.
Perana Capri 302
#60
Team Owner
Well yes, at the time the SD cars were known, but it was the fuel crisis and these kind of cars were hard to sell. Most went for the regular L75 455 or the plain 400s. AMC had the same problem selling the final 2 seater AMXs, they hung around dealer lots forever.
Today, I don't think the SD 455 Trans Am or Formulas are as well known as they used to be. There was an earlier and later 455 HO (1971/72 and 1975/76) which has confused things for the younger crowd who might not know the distinction.
Today, I don't think the SD 455 Trans Am or Formulas are as well known as they used to be. There was an earlier and later 455 HO (1971/72 and 1975/76) which has confused things for the younger crowd who might not know the distinction.
In 1979 you could get a 70 T/A for $4,500
Last edited by LS WON; 08-13-2014 at 10:23 AM.