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With the Hellcat's coming out at $70ish, it's kinda hard to price Vipers in the $125+ range. Most of the Viper owners I know are staunch Mopar guys, that would actually consider a Hellcat Challenger given the price delta. Of course, these are guys that don't hang at the track.
As a former Z07 owner and current ZR1 owner, I welcome the next evolution in vette technology. My new Z07 will be loads of fun...until my new ZR arrives (fingers crossed). I may actually consider tracking both my current ZR and new Z07, for comparison purposes...and to see if my iRacing hours and tutoring are paying off.
I saw a viper and C7 Z51 side-by-side at the DC Auto show. Between the two, the Viper was hands down the better looking car (IMO) from an exterior design standpoint. I have not seen the ZO6 in person so I cannot say for certain if my opinion would change when comparing the viper to the ZO6. I remember thinking the ZO6 would have to make a significant leap in the looks department to compete with the exterior design of the viper. Just one man's opinion, looks are subjective.
I suspect the ZO6 will be a better performer and better daily driver as well. Choices will vary based on what people place more emphasis on...looks or overall engineering.
Bottom line is a Viper will never be an every day car like the Z can be used for.
I don't remember where I read it (it was in this very section of the forum) that one of the chief engineers said the new Z was NOT a good daily driver. Also, how do you know the new Gen V Viper isn't as good of a DD? Older Vipers I would agree with you, but the Gen V is a very nice place to be. You keep talking in facts like there is no room for preferences and interpretation. What you consider bad for DD some may not.
I don't remember where I read it (it was in this very section of the forum) that one of the chief engineers said the new Z was NOT a good daily driver. Also, how do you know the new Gen V Viper isn't as good of a DD? Older Vipers I would agree with you, but the Gen V is a very nice place to be. You keep talking in facts like there is no room for preferences and interpretation. What you consider bad for DD some may not.
I think that is the Z07 package discussion - there are multiple threads on the topic.
Compared to other Corvettes and notable competitors (including some of the new 2014 results).
2:43.1 PORSCHE 918 SPYDER
2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR 2:49.4 NISSAN GT-R NISMO
2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON
2:49.9 FERRARI 458 ITALIA 2:49.9 SRT VIPER TA
2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires)
2:50.8 FERRARI F12 BERLINETTA
2:50.9 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z/28
2:51.2 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires)
2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA
2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R LL3 2/12
2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07)
2:53.8 ***CHEVROLET CORVETTE STINGRAY Z51***
2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV
2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA
2:55.1 LEXUS LFA
2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R
2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS
2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10
2:57.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1
2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
2:57.5 AUDI R8 V-10 PLUS
2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3
2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG BLACK SERIES
2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG
2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT
2:58.9 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S
2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires)
2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10
3:00.7 FORD GT
3:00.7 BMW M4
3:01.0 JAGUAR F-TYPE R COUPE
3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51)
3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10
3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3
3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51)
3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER
3:03.9 PORSCHE CAYMAN R
All in all, very impressive re
One problem with your list. VIR was repaved and widened this past winter and the lap times are ~2 sec a lap faster for the regulars that run there. The new times from this latest test are really not comparable to the past times. You also left off that the ZR1 turn a 2:45 with Mero at the wheel.
Well, pump the brakes for a sec. The new Z06 gains a MIGHTY 12hp to the ZR1, and a more respectable 45 ft-lbs of torque. It is also more than 200 pounds heavier in base configuration. So I would argue the gap between the ZR1 and the new Z06 is not nearly as wide as everyone thinks it will be.
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And, all the performance figures start at the bathroom scale?
This sucks if you purchased one at that crazy previous MSRP.
.....A 15K coupon for a new one just wouldn't cut it for me either....put 15K in my F'in hand........
Maybe I can get a 2014 TA for 60K...........hmmmmmmmm
I think it's an ingenious plan on Chrysler's part. In this way, they keep the current owners in the fold. It would be too difficult to walk away from a deal like that in order to buy a Z06. Very smart!
I saw a viper and C7 Z51 side-by-side at the DC Auto show. Between the two, the Viper was hands down the better looking car (IMO) from an exterior design standpoint. I have not seen the ZO6 in person so I cannot say for certain if my opinion would change when comparing the viper to the ZO6. I remember thinking the ZO6 would have to make a significant leap in the looks department to compete with the exterior design of the viper. Just one man's opinion, looks are subjective.
I suspect the ZO6 will be a better performer and better daily driver as well. Choices will vary based on what people place more emphasis on...looks or overall engineering.
I would need to see them side by side in person.
To an extent, I agree with this. When I attended the Toronto Auto show last February, there was a black Viper and a black Stingray Z51 only about 50 feet from each other. While I'm smitten with the looks of the new Stingray and think it's a handsome car, I couldn't help but think the Viper is just much more dramatically styled.
Can you imagine being one of the "lucky" VCA members who was given the privilege of buying a launch edition at 140K.
I was offered $35000 off sticker on a 128K 2013 GTS... In light of this if they will go to 50K off I might buy the Viper.
Really want the new Z, but damn....
That's my predicament now. I have a line on a brand-new GTS sitting in a showroom for $45k off MSRP, which puts it under the cost of the Z07 package Z06 I was going to order. Also, considering the Viper GTS weighs 230 lbs less than the C7 Z06 will weigh, this is really, really tempting.
Wow, this makes a Z06 purchase for me very hard. New Viper for 85k? These cars will see a huge spike in sales. I like the Z06, and it may be a hair faster than the Viper, but IMO the Viper is by far the better looking and more "special" car. The only time my Vette felt special was in Europe where there aren't that many.
09-08-2014, 02:36 PM
