js59

I'm sure this had nothing to do with the new Z06 pricing . . .

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/08/2...rops-15k-2015/

Based on my C7 experience, the z06 will still be the better complete package. But, at only 5k price difference, it might sway some to take a look.

dvandentop

Sucks for dealers with 14 vipers stuck on the lots....

ChevyChad

The 2014's are all marked down $15k as well effective immediately.

http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsre...&id=16039&mid=

Crabbers

How can you know this? The base C7 gets its doors blown off by the Viper. Not hating, that's just truth. You can't compare a C7 base to a Viper.

Now, the comparisons from the Z06 to the Viper are totally legit. Personally I would take a Viper over a Z06, but it's personal preference. I wouldn't fault anyone for taking the Z06, they're both pretty sweet

js59

Uhhhh . . . the ZR1 beats the viper and that's C6 architecture. I had a c6 and now I have a c7. It is a huge leap forward in terms of the overall package/integration/performance/experience/value. I think every review of the car has echoed that - unless I missed one.

Unless GM's grand plan is to not replicate the integration/refinement/performance/blah blah blah in the c7 Z06, i'm pretty comfortable saying that the Z06 will be better than the ZR1 - which means it is better than the Viper. Nowhere did I say that the base C7 was better - that's why my post is in the Z06 forum. If that wasn't enough, I said "the Z06 will be the better . . . "

Crabbers

Well, pump the brakes for a sec. The new Z06 gains a MIGHTY 12hp to the ZR1, and a more respectable 45 ft-lbs of torque. It is also more than 200 pounds heavier in base configuration. So I would argue the gap between the ZR1 and the new Z06 is not nearly as wide as everyone thinks it will be.

Also, in what way does the ZR1 "beat" the Viper? I would disagree with you on that one as well. I don't know what your criteria on that one is because the Gen V Viper and the ZR1 are so similar that if you read of the stat sheets, you wouldn't be able to tell one from the other.

You're also assuming that the new Viper won't be an improvement at all over the current one. Assuming that GM is going to make advances from year to year and Chrysler won't doesn't seem like an objective way to look at things.

I will reserve my judgement for when both of them come out.

js59

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ap_record.html

There is no "new viper" to go along with the new price. I figured based on your avatar this would migrate to a ZR1 vs. C7 Z06 discussion. All the haters of the new Z06 seem to have ZR1's.

Do you seriously think that the C7 Z06 will not be a better all-around package and outperform (which has been stated by GM - the first time out nonetheless) the 2005 architecture of the C6 with a fast motor?

383LPE

According to this sneak peek of the 2014 Lightning Lap Results, the C7 Z51 completed VIR 2:53.8.

https://i.imgur.com/UUfsCV8.jpg

Here's how it stacks up against all other Lightning Lap cars (does not include the new 2014 results).

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...o-2013-page-10

Compared to other Corvettes and notable competitors (including some of the new 2014 results).

2:43.1 PORSCHE 918 SPYDER
2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S
2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR
2:49.4 NISSAN GT-R NISMO
2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON
2:49.9 FERRARI 458 ITALIA
2:49.9 SRT VIPER TA
2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires)
2:50.8 FERRARI F12 BERLINETTA
2:50.9 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z/28
2:51.2 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires)
2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA
2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R LL3 2/12
2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07)
2:53.8 ***CHEVROLET CORVETTE STINGRAY Z51***
2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV
2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA
2:55.1 LEXUS LFA
2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R
2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS
2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10
2:57.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO ZL1
2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
2:57.5 AUDI R8 V-10 PLUS
2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3
2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG BLACK SERIES
2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG
2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT
2:58.9 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S
2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires)
2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10
3:00.7 FORD GT
3:00.7 BMW M4
3:01.0 JAGUAR F-TYPE R COUPE
3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51)
3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10
3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3
3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51)
3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER
3:03.9 PORSCHE CAYMAN R

All in all, very impressive re

js59

Another one for you . . .

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/cor...son-test1.html

Seems to be . . . dare I say consensus?

lawdogg149

Owning a 2014 Viper these past few months has been fun. We as current Gen 5 owners also get a extra $15,000 coupon to use to purchase another one good until 2018. I can honestly say the corvette is a better road course track car. Having owned 12 corvettes over many years spans most recent a C7 Z51 and tracked all them. The C7 in the Z06 spec will bury the current viper. I am just trying to figure out if I should sell my viper now and reinvest in another hence the $15,000 coupon. My Z06 order will still stay in place because that is the car I really wont but don't know when I will get it.

js59

Ahhh . . . candor and objectivity!! A rarity in the inevitable ZR1 (we somehow went there as always) vs. C7 Z06 discussion. Much appreciated!

I think if ZR1 > Viper and C7 Z06 > ZR1 (according to the mfg.) then Z06 > Viper.

Mdm23

The difference maker will be the A8 in the Z06. The Viper doesn't stand a chance imo. And even the Z51 compares well to the Viper in two YouTube videos I've seen. Quarter mile is the only place the Viper has a decent gap on the base car, and that's only a few tenths. I guess that's what you consider blowing the doors off.

JoesC5

I bet Dodge gives those dealers plenty of incentives(ie; $$$$$) to help them move those cars off their lots.

Crabbers

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...-hp-86029.html

Looks like a difference to me

You assumed it would migrate to a Z06 vs. ZR1 thread? I hate to disappoint you, but I have no interest in that. You however seem to want to turn it into that since you first brought it up. Yes I would say that the new Z06 is going to be better than the ZR1, but it's not going to be a walk away blow out like you are implying.

You want objectivity? How about the fact that I own a ZR1 and I have driven a Viper. They are in essence the same (like I originally said). The new Z06 is going to be slightly better than the ZR1, but the new Viper (and yes, it is a different car), is going to be slightly better than the old Viper. Talk to Boba Fett about it, he has owned both and prefers the Viper. One person does not make a fact about which is better, it's an opinion.

dwward

Chrysler will help them out so they don't get burned. The big three don't leave their dealers flapping in the wind on such things.

I once bought a car from a dealer who had more car than he could sell (small town dealer with big city car), and he was able to get special incentives for just that car (which went to me) so he could sell it and not lose money. Factory ponied up a unique rebate and 0%.

WaxWeekly

Corvette lovers need the SRT team to keep the fight close to home. The SRT team made some big mistakes with the current Viper, and paid heavily in terms of poor sales. It's about time they stepped the game up a bit and made some improvements, since they've been so quiet lately.

How well would the cars stack up together if SRT had not adjusted their pricing?

Crabbers

I would argue this is why Viper sales are so poor. It's not a car issue, it's a pricing issue.

One person prefers the Corvette, one person prefers the Viper. And when one person prefers the Corvette it is taken as fact because this is a Corvette forum. Naturally people here are going to be biased.

js59

Lawdogg seems to have some cred on the subject. 12 corvettes plus a viper - not sure if a ZR1 was/is in his stable. Again, it seems to me that most of the "but mine weighs 200 lbs. less" and "lets pump the brakes for a minute" arguments (i.e. detractors) from the new Z06 are from ZR1 owners. Maybe I'm the only one around here that perceives that to be the case . . . but I doubt it.

I think those with C6s and C7s in the garage at the same time have experienced the leap forward of the c7. I expect the Z06 to follow in those footsteps. But, you only need to go there if you ignore every automotive publication in the free world that seems to have praise for the C7.

5hp and taller gearing to provide 1mpg better probably aren't items that will close the gap between the Viper and the new Z06. Nor will blue suede shoes. Keep in mind, the comparison to the ZR1 has been the top Viper versions. Now, the new aero could help . . . but my money is still squarely on the Z06.

Hemi Dave

This sucks if you purchased one at that crazy previous MSRP.

.....A 15K coupon for a new one just wouldn't cut it for me either....put 15K in my F'in hand........

Maybe I can get a 2014 TA for 60K...........hmmmmmmmm

Crabbers

When did I say the Z06 isn't better than the ZR1? Just because I own one doesn't mean I'm defending it for that reason alone. I am presenting facts and nothing more. I freely said the Z06 is probably going to be better. However, in my opinion, it's not going to be as huge of a gap as everyone says it will be.

And like I already said, just because one person prefers the Corvette doesn't make it better. Talk to Viper owners, and they most likely prefer the Viper (enough to pay a lot more for one). Here's a quote directly from Viper forums:

All I did was chime in and say that I like what SRT is doing and that I would take a new Viper over a new Z06, and when I did everyone got all huffy and started trying to shoot holes in the Viper

This is all a matter of opinion, if it wasn't everyone would be driving around in the same thing. If you (not you, just people in general) can't appreciate the Viper for what it is then that's your problem. The new Z06 looks amazing! Truly an awesome car. I just prefer the new Viper. Ffs, everyone is so belligerent on this forum when anything other than their specific Corvette is mentioned