NytmereZ

They already are.... this post was moved really fast, but if it is indeed an ACR, of course it's going to whip the vette, but there is going to be a billion excuses, it's going to be even more challenging now due to the gen 5 viper being very civilized now, the hate is really going to come out this time, I find it funny now.
One thing that has changed is that these cars a really reaching their limits, so the performance gap is going to be closer.

NytmereZ

and there we have it!! The very 1st excuse for a viper (that hasn't been released yet) for beating the corvette Z06. (Which also hasn't been released yet )

Personally I think GM waited to long to release the new Z, remember what happened to the camaro that took forever to be released ?, and all these levels of areo why can't they just release one car , I'm waiting for the waxers to start the stage 1 aero vs all the others, arguing which is better , you know it's going to happen, there are already threads of what color calipers are on the Z07 vs the others

Boba Fett

very well said
exactly my first thought when I read that post...

RC000E

I love the ACR cars...always will...but it's the simple mans approach to getting a job done. I think Viper should spend the investment making a viable base car before trying to push these radical street/track cars. Any car with huge aero will be fast...put a 1200lb's of a downforce on a Z51 Stingray and see what the car does...this is a simple approach. Making a car capable WITHOUT all that is impressive...the minimalist approach. A car that does insanely well on a track without stating the obvious. It's what Corvette, Porsche, GTR and others get that Viper doesn't. Well...they do...they just don't sell enough cars to invest the R&D dollars to make it happen.

So...ACR...cool...go fast...make it happen...sell a couple hundred...doesn't worry Corvette or Porsche much. Make the ACR 90k MSRP with a scheme to guarantee no markup and maybe you have something...best chance they've got.

racezx9

never liked the Viper....so BFD ... getting the new Z next car a Ferrari 458 or Scuderia

bigjku

I think this is where Viper has missed the mark badly if the goal is to actually sell cars and make a profit.

More power and a big wing aren't really doing anything but creating a race car. It's nice but pointless.

What Chevy did with the Z06 in this generation shows a much better return in my mind. If Viper was actually about making money then an auto transmission and vert version would be a much better place to spend development money.

My worry with Viper has long been than it is a Giles ego project at this point. He is building the car he wants without reference to any overall company objective.

White Out

LEE427

spdrcr

Oh my

NineBall

I can't wait to see it at SEMA in 2 weeks.

Factory Hoosiers and carbon ceramics.

NineBall

I'm guessing you don't spend much time at the road course. If you did, you'd know that even the base SRT Viper does very well at the track. The TA puts down better lap times than the other cars you mentioned. Lets be honest, there is nothing "minimalist" about any of the cars you mentioned. All of them grab your attention and turn heads.

Toilets

Extremely well done team Viper. Literally a factory time trial car. Kinda wish the Z07 package was this extreme

Toilets

No excuse here buddy. Both amazing cars of which I have one at 3100 status (Z07). All I was simply implying was if the ACR came in at Z07 prices then we got some real (and healthy) competition.

PDCjonny

Ummm what are you talking about?
The 'base" Viper TA doesn't have anything radical about it and has the lap record at Laguna Seca.
Pretty sure that's "viable".

bigjku

I think you missed his point entirely. Making a more specialized car that has an even narrower audience than one which already saw its production lines stopped for a time and a huge price cut seems like a move in the wrong direction if your goal is to actually sell cars.

I think Ralph is a great car guy. But his business savy is pretty poor and it's honestly a threat to the overall viper brand at some point. It needs to broaden its appeal, not narrow it. Not arguing it needs corvette like sales but they need to be able to build a couple hundred a month to make it viable long term. This won't help with that at all.

Boba Fett

PDCjonny

And what about the ZR1 that the old 2010 ACR obliterated at the 'Ring?

Callsign_Vega

Have you guys not seen the aero on this new ACR? lol, with track tires it will wreck the new Z06. I have my doubts the new Z06 will even beat the GENIV ACR time, let alone the GENV.

heavychevy

you make some great points about the Viper, I think they need to make a set amount, set the MSRP at 90k and sell them all and let that be it. The stealers will mark them up, but they should leave it at that. Limited production. That or create a mini Viper to sell for less, but I'm assuming that's what the Challengers and Chargers etc are.

HOWEVER, bolting aero to a stingray will not make it on the same level as an ACR. Not even remotely. The drag alone will significantly reduce straight line acceleration. You'd need the torque and power of the ZR1 or new Z06 to keep up.

White Out

Take a second look at those tires.

ACR is taking a minimalistic approach; shed weight, big brakes, sticky tires, and add downforce.

The minimalists








. . . don't expect the 991GT3RS to skip out on the stickers.





So the Viper ACR sticking to its roots of being a race car for the street is bad because it's not offered as a vert with an automatic???

The goal clearly isn't to appeal to everyone. Hell, major feats in the past 22 years of Viper are: windows, exterior door handles, ABS and traction control.