Coming Soon: Hellcat vs GT500 vs Z06
02-11-2015, 12:49 PM
#21
Team Owner
I'm thinking you might be a professional bench racer. Because that configuration of Z06 doesn't even exist. The CCB cars are all Z07 cars, it is part of that package.
Also, at our track rental day, the fastest trap speed for a Z06 just happened to be a Z07 package car. Member "cdubb" in the white Z07 was faster than the silver base model Z06. Same track, same day.
http://nineballgarage.com/2015/01/dr...ellcat-vs-zr1/
Hellcat was the slowest car. Viper was the fastest.
Also, at our track rental day, the fastest trap speed for a Z06 just happened to be a Z07 package car. Member "cdubb" in the white Z07 was faster than the silver base model Z06. Same track, same day.
http://nineballgarage.com/2015/01/dr...ellcat-vs-zr1/
Hellcat was the slowest car. Viper was the fastest.
*Raises hand.....
That "drag chute", as you refer to it, is responsible for 80% of the cars downforce. Removing it would make the car even more prone to oversteer, ultimately resulting in slower lap times.
And I don't think the auto trans is going to make up more than a tenth or two at most. Especially with a professional road racer.
That "drag chute", as you refer to it, is responsible for 80% of the cars downforce. Removing it would make the car even more prone to oversteer, ultimately resulting in slower lap times.
And I don't think the auto trans is going to make up more than a tenth or two at most. Especially with a professional road racer.
So you admit that an A8 would've been a better car to use but you're guessing as to how much faster it would be.....interesting.
I'm not trying to pile on, I'm just illustrating a point.
First it was that we needed to get an A8 Z07 for the best times. Now it's a Z06. I don't think anyone is ever going to be satisfied with a test because there is always going to be an excuse. I personally enjoyed the person that said that the car was delivered with new front tires, but worn bald rear tires, which is why it didn't do well.
First it was that we needed to get an A8 Z07 for the best times. Now it's a Z06. I don't think anyone is ever going to be satisfied with a test because there is always going to be an excuse. I personally enjoyed the person that said that the car was delivered with new front tires, but worn bald rear tires, which is why it didn't do well.
I'm no racing expert, I'm just giving my opinions on how or why the Z did so poorly when on paper it should've done much better, of course yours may differ.
Edit: I was informed that Willow has two different configurations so that's why the test times of the Nissan were different so I retract one of my earlier statements regarding the difference in times. My apologies.
Last edited by themonk; 02-11-2015 at 12:57 PM.
02-11-2015, 01:39 PM
#22
02-11-2015, 02:56 PM
#23
Le Mans Master
At Willow Springs the 650HP Z06 loses to a car that is 300lbs heavier and has 50 less Horsepower. Also only beats the Porsche GT3 with 175 less HP by a fraction of a second. WTF?!?
Based on just numbers the Z06 should be annihilating those two - especially on the track, but there is something not fully baked in C7 version of the Z06.
It is not Tadge's fault, or gross imcompetenace as many are suggesting. Their budget was cut by 2/3 because of 2008 restructuring and we are left with a car that is not better than the sum of it's parts - at this point is not living up to it's Z06 legacy.
02-11-2015, 06:58 PM
#24
Team Owner
The quote "Greater than the sum of it's parts" is used over and over with the top tier sports cars.
At Willow Springs the 650HP Z06 loses to a car that is 300lbs heavier and has 50 less Horsepower. Also only beats the Porsche GT3 with 175 less HP by a fraction of a second. WTF?!?
Based on just numbers the Z06 should be annihilating those two - especially on the track, but there is something not fully baked in C7 version of the Z06.
It is not Tadge's fault, or gross imcompetenace as many are suggesting. Their budget was cut by 2/3 because of 2008 restructuring and we are left with a car that is not better than the sum of it's parts - at this point is not living up to it's Z06 legacy.
At Willow Springs the 650HP Z06 loses to a car that is 300lbs heavier and has 50 less Horsepower. Also only beats the Porsche GT3 with 175 less HP by a fraction of a second. WTF?!?
Based on just numbers the Z06 should be annihilating those two - especially on the track, but there is something not fully baked in C7 version of the Z06.
It is not Tadge's fault, or gross imcompetenace as many are suggesting. Their budget was cut by 2/3 because of 2008 restructuring and we are left with a car that is not better than the sum of it's parts - at this point is not living up to it's Z06 legacy.
02-11-2015, 08:15 PM
#25
Burning Brakes
Motortrend stated that they even removed the rear spoiler on the Z07 to see if it would improve lap times, it made it slower around the track.
So your excuse is debunked.
So your excuse is debunked.
02-11-2015, 11:51 PM
#26
Melting Slicks
2015 C7 Z06 vs 2015 Challenger Hellcat vs 2014 GT500:
Z06 didn't do too bad. Looks like who got the hit won.
Z06 didn't do too bad. Looks like who got the hit won.
Last edited by racerns; 02-11-2015 at 11:56 PM.
02-12-2015, 12:01 AM
#27
Burning Brakes
That's a terrible example of roll racing. Not one race did both cars leave at the same time. Also, they need to do higher rolls, say 60mph, which will take most the traction issues out of play.
Not to mention that hellcat shifting was slower than molasses... And yall thought the Z06 shifting from the other video was bad lol
Not to mention that hellcat shifting was slower than molasses... And yall thought the Z06 shifting from the other video was bad lol
Last edited by ck9887; 02-12-2015 at 12:03 AM.
02-12-2015, 12:08 AM
#28
Melting Slicks
02-12-2015, 12:55 AM
#29
Team Owner
2) I would love to know where they said that they removed the spoiler.
02-12-2015, 06:24 AM
#30
Safety Car
These guys must be rookies at roll racing. It didn't seem like either car was good at leaving at the same time. A couple of times, one or the other car would take off much faster on the initial hit, makes me wonder if the other car was in the wrong gear to start with.
I fully expect the C7Z to win by at least a car length against the Hellcat, if both cars take off even and both are properly shifted. At our drag strip rental, the C7Z averaged about 1-2 mph faster than the Hellcat did, all day long.
Tony
I fully expect the C7Z to win by at least a car length against the Hellcat, if both cars take off even and both are properly shifted. At our drag strip rental, the C7Z averaged about 1-2 mph faster than the Hellcat did, all day long.
Tony
02-12-2015, 09:00 AM
#31
Melting Slicks
That's a terrible example of roll racing. Not one race did both cars leave at the same time. Also, they need to do higher rolls, say 60mph, which will take most the traction issues out of play.
Not to mention that hellcat shifting was slower than molasses... And yall thought the Z06 shifting from the other video was bad lol
Not to mention that hellcat shifting was slower than molasses... And yall thought the Z06 shifting from the other video was bad lol
That 6 speed manual Hellcat driver needs a NineBall shifting upgrade
02-12-2015, 09:12 AM
#32
Burning Brakes
02-12-2015, 09:19 AM
#33
Le Mans Master
Oh, so I guess the testers who said that the Z07's was a major factor as to why the quarter mile isn't as strong as it could be, too much drag.....and just how long is the straight at Willow? I think the standard spoiler coupled with the tires would provide more than enough grip in the corners and it wouldn't have as much drag on the straights.
So you admit that an A8 would've been a better car to use but you're guessing as to how much faster it would be.....interesting.
So you admit that an A8 would've been a better car to use but you're guessing as to how much faster it would be.....interesting.
It's right in the text of the article.
02-13-2015, 12:01 AM
#34
Team Owner
they removed the wicker bill, not the spoiler...removing the wicker bill leaves you with a spoiler that looks pretty much like the one on the non Z07.
02-13-2015, 06:23 AM
#35
Burning Brakes
You already stated in an earlier post that you believed the standard spoiler with the CCB would be the fastest setup, well that's what they tested by removing the wicker and cornering grip was sacrificed and lap times weren't improved. Removing the entire spoiler and the car would be down right sloppy.
02-20-2015, 08:46 AM
#37
Team Owner
Those comments are very telling - the Z06 is like wrestling an alligator - working extremely hard to control it. The suspension is simply not well balanced. I never saw comments like this from the C6 ZR1.