I Gave the 2015 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat a Bath
03-16-2015, 02:47 PM
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Dave68 is on the right track. It's not only production cost, but post-production cost and warranty work as well. You can't make a car with that much power very reliable, and it's going to bite them in the butt when the warranty costs hit, but this is something that is built into the financial plan for producing the car. It is a very risky move, but one they decided to take. Although nobody ever got anywhere without taking any risks. The real success story will begin later on after they have sold enough to cover production costs. It will be interesting to see how they make out with it. Another thing you have to realize is that Chrysler is a huge company with many products, and can afford to take a risk like this. They aren't doing too great as a company in comparison to Ford and GM, and they have to take risks like this in order to stay in the game. It's all competition, and the lowest guy has to take the highest risk. That's how the market works.
03-17-2015, 03:57 AM
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Dave68 is on the right track. It's not only production cost, but post-production cost and warranty work as well. You can't make a car with that much power very reliable, and it's going to bite them in the butt when the warranty costs hit, but this is something that is built into the financial plan for producing the car. It is a very risky move, but one they decided to take. Although nobody ever got anywhere without taking any risks. The real success story will begin later on after they have sold enough to cover production costs. It will be interesting to see how they make out with it. Another thing you have to realize is that Chrysler is a huge company with many products, and can afford to take a risk like this. They aren't doing too great as a company in comparison to Ford and GM, and they have to take risks like this in order to stay in the game. It's all competition, and the lowest guy has to take the highest risk. That's how the market works.
It is a total win, and unless you have driven one I wouodnt be so sure that your 99 FRC could beat it at a track, surly there would be zero advantage on a street.
03-17-2015, 08:13 AM
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03-17-2015, 08:15 AM
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03-17-2015, 09:30 AM
#26
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At an autocross, even a stock 93 miata would absolutely destroy that car, and it would be hilarious. I would even put money on my cobalt ss against it at autox. The thing is a tank, has suspension made for a tank, and has way too high of a cg. The only thing it has going for it is gobs of power, but in fact in many cases too much power is a disadvantage because you have less control over the throttle. In a tight track, you have very little to zero opportunity to put even half the power down that a hellcat makes. Some people even de-tune their car, add restrictor plates, and lower the power based on the track to get better throttle control, so more power isn't always better. It's all about what you want to use the car for. There is always the best car for the application. All I'm saying is this is not a real driver's car. It's a brick with a giant engine meant for your average Joe to bang through the gears down the 1/4. It's hardly an amazing feat of engineering.
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03-17-2015, 11:28 AM
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At an autocross, even a stock 93 miata would absolutely destroy that car, and it would be hilarious. I would even put money on my cobalt ss against it at autox. The thing is a tank, has suspension made for a tank, and has way too high of a cg. The only thing it has going for it is gobs of power, but in fact in many cases too much power is a disadvantage because you have less control over the throttle. In a tight track, you have very little to zero opportunity to put even half the power down that a hellcat makes. Some people even de-tune their car, add restrictor plates, and lower the power based on the track to get better throttle control, so more power isn't always better. It's all about what you want to use the car for. There is always the best car for the application. All I'm saying is this is not a real driver's car. It's a brick with a giant engine meant for your average Joe to bang through the gears down the 1/4. It's hardly an amazing feat of engineering.
I know power very well (my guess would be better than you)and when You are outgunned by 600, it does come into play, comparing a Miata with a hellcat is definately a boneheaded move.
Restricted plates , de-tuning .... You read to much on Google , only pro organizations like nascar do that, it's ok, you can keep searching for straws to grasp onto.
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03-17-2015, 12:58 PM
#29
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I'm sure that is what all the Miata owners are telling hellcat owners 10 minutes later when they finally catch up to a hellcat on a street
I know power very well (my guess would be better than you)and when You are outgunned by 600, it does come into play, comparing a Miata with a hellcat is definately a boneheaded move.
Restricted plates , de-tuning .... You read to much on Google , only pro organizations like nascar do that, it's ok, you can keep searching for straws to grasp onto.
I know power very well (my guess would be better than you)and when You are outgunned by 600, it does come into play, comparing a Miata with a hellcat is definately a boneheaded move.
Restricted plates , de-tuning .... You read to much on Google , only pro organizations like nascar do that, it's ok, you can keep searching for straws to grasp onto.
Yes 600hp more does come into play in an autocross. It is a huge disadvantage when you can only put down maybe 150-200 of that. You have obviously never been to an autocross or you would know that a miata is one of the best autox cars you can drive. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy in a vw golf actually beat it. Power means very little in autocross. That is what you fail to see. Now please try to educate me more on how power is going to help you get a faster time when in fact in this case it works to your disadvantage... strike 2.
Nascar uses restrictor plates to create an even playing field among the cars. They don't de-tune the cars. It's a wheel-to-wheel race, not a time trial. So no nascar does not do that. That's a completely different ball game... strike 3... You're out!
I see you own a viper, so you are obviously just trying to make a good name for your brand, but you are going about it the wrong way trying to spread misinformation and making yourself look like a fool. Please go take your misinformation elsewhere to a place where people are stupid enough to believe it.
03-17-2015, 01:41 PM
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03-17-2015, 02:46 PM
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Yes, the same thing happened when the PT Cruiser was introduced. There wasn't an identical car like it, anywhere. Unlike the Hellcat, though, the PT Cruiser was dirt cheap. That simple fact allowed it to make Chrysler a profit over the life of this model. Vipers sold (somewhat) well when they were introduced. Look at them now......
03-17-2015, 02:54 PM
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You think you know power better than a mechanical engineer that has taken 4 thermodynamics classes, and who can design an engine from the bottom up? Are you some special kind of stupid? I can teach you every single thing you want to know about power, energy, heat transfer, pneumatic systems, hydraulic systems, lubrication systems, anything you want to know about engines. Nice try smart ***. Strike 1.
Yes 600hp more does come into play in an autocross. It is a huge disadvantage when you can only put down maybe 150-200 of that. You have obviously never been to an autocross or you would know that a miata is one of the best autox cars you can drive. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy in a vw golf actually beat it. Power means very little in autocross. That is what you fail to see. Now please try to educate me more on how power is going to help you get a faster time when in fact in this case it works to your disadvantage... strike 2.
Nascar uses restrictor plates to create an even playing field among the cars. They don't de-tune the cars. It's a wheel-to-wheel race, not a time trial. So no nascar does not do that. That's a completely different ball game... strike 3... You're out!
I see you own a viper, so you are obviously just trying to make a good name for your brand, but you are going about it the wrong way trying to spread misinformation and making yourself look like a fool. Please go take your misinformation elsewhere to a place where people are stupid enough to believe it.
Yes 600hp more does come into play in an autocross. It is a huge disadvantage when you can only put down maybe 150-200 of that. You have obviously never been to an autocross or you would know that a miata is one of the best autox cars you can drive. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy in a vw golf actually beat it. Power means very little in autocross. That is what you fail to see. Now please try to educate me more on how power is going to help you get a faster time when in fact in this case it works to your disadvantage... strike 2.
Nascar uses restrictor plates to create an even playing field among the cars. They don't de-tune the cars. It's a wheel-to-wheel race, not a time trial. So no nascar does not do that. That's a completely different ball game... strike 3... You're out!
I see you own a viper, so you are obviously just trying to make a good name for your brand, but you are going about it the wrong way trying to spread misinformation and making yourself look like a fool. Please go take your misinformation elsewhere to a place where people are stupid enough to believe it.
03-17-2015, 05:13 PM
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03-19-2015, 05:00 PM
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03-19-2015, 09:33 PM
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03-19-2015, 11:32 PM
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I thought NASCAR used restrictor plates to restrict airflow into the engines at the high speed tracks to slow them down. In effect, de-tuning them. This is done for safety reasons. These races are known as a "restrictor plate race", as they are not used at many (most)of the tracks.
03-20-2015, 12:52 AM
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I thought NASCAR used restrictor plates to restrict airflow into the engines at the high speed tracks to slow them down. In effect, de-tuning them. This is done for safety reasons. These races are known as a "restrictor plate race", as they are not used at many (most)of the tracks.
03-20-2015, 02:00 PM
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You think you know power better than a mechanical engineer that has taken 4 thermodynamics classes, and who can design an engine from the bottom up? Are you some special kind of stupid? I can teach you every single thing you want to know about power, energy, heat transfer, pneumatic systems, hydraulic systems, lubrication systems, anything you want to know about engines. Nice try smart ***. Strike 1.
Yes 600hp more does come into play in an autocross. It is a huge disadvantage when you can only put down maybe 150-200 of that. You have obviously never been to an autocross or you would know that a miata is one of the best autox cars you can drive. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy in a vw golf actually beat it. Power means very little in autocross. That is what you fail to see. Now please try to educate me more on how power is going to help you get a faster time when in fact in this case it works to your disadvantage... strike 2.
Nascar uses restrictor plates to create an even playing field among the cars. They don't de-tune the cars. It's a wheel-to-wheel race, not a time trial. So no nascar does not do that. That's a completely different ball game... strike 3... You're out!
I see you own a viper, so you are obviously just trying to make a good name for your brand, but you are going about it the wrong way trying to spread misinformation and making yourself look like a fool. Please go take your misinformation elsewhere to a place where people are stupid enough to believe it.
Yes 600hp more does come into play in an autocross. It is a huge disadvantage when you can only put down maybe 150-200 of that. You have obviously never been to an autocross or you would know that a miata is one of the best autox cars you can drive. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy in a vw golf actually beat it. Power means very little in autocross. That is what you fail to see. Now please try to educate me more on how power is going to help you get a faster time when in fact in this case it works to your disadvantage... strike 2.
Nascar uses restrictor plates to create an even playing field among the cars. They don't de-tune the cars. It's a wheel-to-wheel race, not a time trial. So no nascar does not do that. That's a completely different ball game... strike 3... You're out!
I see you own a viper, so you are obviously just trying to make a good name for your brand, but you are going about it the wrong way trying to spread misinformation and making yourself look like a fool. Please go take your misinformation elsewhere to a place where people are stupid enough to believe it.
I also don't care what kind of mechanical engineer you are, if you don't have the actual seat time in different powered machines you don't know squat, talking about restrictor plates on street cars shows the straws you are still trying to grasp
My answer is YES, I know more about power than you
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