Ford's Competition to the C7 Z51?
05-13-2015, 10:13 AM
#21
Pro
Funny no one thinks that the plain old 2015 mustang gt is a competitor with the C7.
But oh it is.
Do I love the C7, sure do. Is it the best deal for performance, hell no.
Top Gear - 2015 Mustang vs Corvette Stingray - YouTube
Looks to me like for 20k less dollars the performance on track of the mustang gt is about 2 seconds behind the mustang. A far cry from an *** whooping.
And this isn't even supercharged mustang (loaded with options of course). which for 15 grand less than a bone stock stingray would probably run nearly neck and neck.
But oh it is.
Do I love the C7, sure do. Is it the best deal for performance, hell no.
Top Gear - 2015 Mustang vs Corvette Stingray - YouTube
Looks to me like for 20k less dollars the performance on track of the mustang gt is about 2 seconds behind the mustang. A far cry from an *** whooping.
And this isn't even supercharged mustang (loaded with options of course). which for 15 grand less than a bone stock stingray would probably run nearly neck and neck.
Also, how is the Corvette "exclusive?" There are over 30,000 produced each year.
Last edited by LDYSTIG; 05-13-2015 at 10:16 AM.
05-13-2015, 10:41 AM
#22
Burning Brakes
It's a really nice Mustang .... but that is what most people will say. 99% of the population won't recognize it from the 4 cyl which will soon be everywhere.
I'll never forget the first weekend I purchased my 2002 GT vert. Two other exact copies of my car lined up next to me while out randomly driving.
I'll never forget the first weekend I purchased my 2002 GT vert. Two other exact copies of my car lined up next to me while out randomly driving.
05-13-2015, 10:44 AM
#23
Burning Brakes
No one thinks the GT is a competitor with a C7 because it's not. I do not for the life of me understand why people think they can compare a pony car to a sports car. Is the Mustang GT a great value HP for $$? YES. No one is going to argue with you there. But if you want to go down that road, I would argue that a used C6 Z06 is still the best car for the money. If you are looking solely at new cars, the SS Camaro has and always will continue to outperform the Mustang GT which has been a proven more so than a clip from a lap around the Top Gear track.
Also, how is the Corvette "exclusive?" There are over 30,000 produced each year.
Also, how is the Corvette "exclusive?" There are over 30,000 produced each year.
You know, as I eluded to. The differences between the performance in these cars is remarkably NOT huge. That cannot be said for their cost.
It's not hard to compare a "PONY" car to a "sports" car. look at the numbers, they don't lie.
Now if you want to feel special or elite because you have a corvette that is your choice. But the fact is it does not destroy all comers and costs much more than a few.
When comparing 30k produced a year to 90k. Yeah I'd say it is not a "common" car. However, I would say that it's price puts it into an exclusive category that most Americans simply can never attain, because they can't afford it.
Oh and I wouldn't call the GT a competitor when it comes to price at all. The GT blows the vette out of the water, so does the camaro for that matter. But when it comes to performance and numbers all 3 are not as widely spaced out as you would think after seeing the costs.
Hell, I've never owned a mustang, but I have owned a vette. And I'm getting a C7 here shortly.
The fact is I'm not disillusioned into thinking it is the end all be all car considering the bucks i'm going to shell out for it.
The best buy for options, performance and cost taken into consideration is the mustang GT. There isn't even a question about it. Especially if you drop 5 grand, you can easily have a sub 40k 600 horsepower beast. For most Americans, that's a kick *** deal.
As for exclusivity and not wanting to see 4 at every stoplight, the corvette wins.
Last edited by sanantguy; 05-13-2015 at 10:52 AM.
05-13-2015, 10:48 AM
#24
You know, as I eluded to. The differences between the performance in these cars is remarkably NOT huge. That cannot be said for their cost.
It's not hard to compare a "PONY" car to a "sports" car. look at the numbers, they don't lie.
Now if you want to feel special or elite because you have a corvette that is your choice. But the fact is it does not destroy all comers and costs much more than a few.
When comparing 30k produced a year to 90k. Yeah I'd say it is not a "common" car.
Oh and I wouldn't call the GT a competitor when it comes to price at all. The GT blows the vette out of the water, so does the camaro for that matter. But when it comes to performance and numbers all 3 are not as widely spaced out as you would think after seeing the costs.
It's not hard to compare a "PONY" car to a "sports" car. look at the numbers, they don't lie.
Now if you want to feel special or elite because you have a corvette that is your choice. But the fact is it does not destroy all comers and costs much more than a few.
When comparing 30k produced a year to 90k. Yeah I'd say it is not a "common" car.
Oh and I wouldn't call the GT a competitor when it comes to price at all. The GT blows the vette out of the water, so does the camaro for that matter. But when it comes to performance and numbers all 3 are not as widely spaced out as you would think after seeing the costs.
That is a thing of beauty right there. V6 Twin Turbo enclosed in Carbon Fiber. Too bad there's no trunk space.... And the 400k price tag.
Last edited by CriticalmassGT; 05-13-2015 at 10:55 AM.
05-13-2015, 12:23 PM
#27
Racer
That being said, there really is no direct competition from Ford for the Corvette. Dodge has the Viper but it is priced around the Z06. Too bad they don't offer a cheaper V8 HEMI version. I always thought that they should.
It would have been a consideration.
Last edited by LSRX; 05-13-2015 at 12:27 PM.
05-13-2015, 12:41 PM
#28
Drifting
05-13-2015, 12:52 PM
#29
Burning Brakes
05-13-2015, 12:52 PM
#30
Pro
You know, as I eluded to. The differences between the performance in these cars is remarkably NOT huge. That cannot be said for their cost.
It's not hard to compare a "PONY" car to a "sports" car. look at the numbers, they don't lie.
Now if you want to feel special or elite because you have a corvette that is your choice. But the fact is it does not destroy all comers and costs much more than a few.
When comparing 30k produced a year to 90k. Yeah I'd say it is not a "common" car. However, I would say that it's price puts it into an exclusive category that most Americans simply can never attain, because they can't afford it.
Oh and I wouldn't call the GT a competitor when it comes to price at all. The GT blows the vette out of the water, so does the camaro for that matter. But when it comes to performance and numbers all 3 are not as widely spaced out as you would think after seeing the costs.
Hell, I've never owned a mustang, but I have owned a vette. And I'm getting a C7 here shortly.
The fact is I'm not disillusioned into thinking it is the end all be all car considering the bucks i'm going to shell out for it.
The best buy for options, performance and cost taken into consideration is the mustang GT. There isn't even a question about it. Especially if you drop 5 grand, you can easily have a sub 40k 600 horsepower beast. For most Americans, that's a kick *** deal.
As for exclusivity and not wanting to see 4 at every stoplight, the corvette wins.
It's not hard to compare a "PONY" car to a "sports" car. look at the numbers, they don't lie.
Now if you want to feel special or elite because you have a corvette that is your choice. But the fact is it does not destroy all comers and costs much more than a few.
When comparing 30k produced a year to 90k. Yeah I'd say it is not a "common" car. However, I would say that it's price puts it into an exclusive category that most Americans simply can never attain, because they can't afford it.
Oh and I wouldn't call the GT a competitor when it comes to price at all. The GT blows the vette out of the water, so does the camaro for that matter. But when it comes to performance and numbers all 3 are not as widely spaced out as you would think after seeing the costs.
Hell, I've never owned a mustang, but I have owned a vette. And I'm getting a C7 here shortly.
The fact is I'm not disillusioned into thinking it is the end all be all car considering the bucks i'm going to shell out for it.
The best buy for options, performance and cost taken into consideration is the mustang GT. There isn't even a question about it. Especially if you drop 5 grand, you can easily have a sub 40k 600 horsepower beast. For most Americans, that's a kick *** deal.
As for exclusivity and not wanting to see 4 at every stoplight, the corvette wins.
The point I was trying to make is that you cannot compare the Mustang GT to the C7 just because that is Ford's top of the line NA car, even if they have "comparable numbers" and their general purpose is to go fast, as they are in different car classes. Car for car comparisons are better suited as Mustang versus Camaro.
I bought a Corvette not because I cared about the price, "exclusivity," being a status symbol, etc. but rather because I have always loved the way Corvettes have looked, driven, sounded, and I could comfortably afford it. Everyone has their own reasons and opinions, otherwise if we were a sheep society we would all be driving Prius'.
Enjoy your Vette when it arrives
05-13-2015, 12:55 PM
#31
Burning Brakes
I've never seen so much defense for the Mustang from a non-Mustang owner
The point I was trying to make is that you cannot compare the Mustang GT to the C7 just because that is Ford's top of the line NA car, even if they have "comparable numbers" and their general purpose is to go fast, as they are in different car classes. Car for car comparisons are better suited as Mustang versus Camaro.
I bought a Corvette not because I cared about the price, "exclusivity," being a status symbol, etc. but rather because I have always loved the way Corvettes have looked, driven, sounded, and I could comfortably afford it. Everyone has their own reasons and opinions, otherwise if we were a sheep society we would all be driving Prius'.
Enjoy your Vette when it arrives
The point I was trying to make is that you cannot compare the Mustang GT to the C7 just because that is Ford's top of the line NA car, even if they have "comparable numbers" and their general purpose is to go fast, as they are in different car classes. Car for car comparisons are better suited as Mustang versus Camaro.
I bought a Corvette not because I cared about the price, "exclusivity," being a status symbol, etc. but rather because I have always loved the way Corvettes have looked, driven, sounded, and I could comfortably afford it. Everyone has their own reasons and opinions, otherwise if we were a sheep society we would all be driving Prius'.
Enjoy your Vette when it arrives
05-13-2015, 12:59 PM
#32
Drifting
According to the video description, both cars are stock. A C5Z will run low 12s all day (high 11s on a really good day). If the Z were supercharged, it would've been ugly.
05-13-2015, 01:04 PM
#33
People tend to get lost in the statistics. If you want statistics, buy a Nissan GTR.
People buy Corvettes, Mustangs, Challengers, and (cough) Camaro's for style, heritage, history, AND performance. In that order.
05-13-2015, 01:23 PM
#34
Melting Slicks
Actually they are very good basic transportation, we have 2 in our family, my daughter a regular flavor and I an ST as a secondary car. I had the ST before the C7, I still love driving it. It's totally different then the corvette but extremely fun car that fits a lot of stuff into. Not everyone can afford a sports car or needs one.
05-13-2015, 01:23 PM
#35
Le Mans Master
This IS the golden age for high performance cars. The GT 350 will ad to the choices we have, which is all to the good. I don't understand why some people view any potential alternative to a Corvette in a negative light.
05-13-2015, 01:30 PM
#36
Melting Slicks
05-13-2015, 04:55 PM
#37
Team Owner
I'm really excited for the new GT350.
05-13-2015, 05:42 PM
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Funny no one thinks that the plain old 2015 mustang gt is a competitor with the C7.
But oh it is.
Do I love the C7, sure do. Is it the best deal for performance, hell no.
Top Gear - 2015 Mustang vs Corvette Stingray - YouTube
Looks to me like for 20k less dollars the performance on track of the mustang gt is about 2 seconds behind the mustang. A far cry from an *** whooping.
And this isn't even supercharged mustang (loaded with options of course). which for 15 grand less than a bone stock stingray would probably run nearly neck and neck.
Put simply, the corvette is a status symbol and the cost is a reflection of its "exclusivity".
But oh it is.
Do I love the C7, sure do. Is it the best deal for performance, hell no.
Top Gear - 2015 Mustang vs Corvette Stingray - YouTube
Looks to me like for 20k less dollars the performance on track of the mustang gt is about 2 seconds behind the mustang. A far cry from an *** whooping.
And this isn't even supercharged mustang (loaded with options of course). which for 15 grand less than a bone stock stingray would probably run nearly neck and neck.
Put simply, the corvette is a status symbol and the cost is a reflection of its "exclusivity".
Because it is... dunno what "game" but it definitely is.
Last edited by _razar_; 05-13-2015 at 05:49 PM.
05-13-2015, 06:49 PM
#40
Race Director
