VIPERVENOM650R

Hard to believe Fiat can do this and GM with all the free money from us taxpayers apparently cannot. Step up AMERICA!!!

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._drive_review/

firstgear

Who knows....but that is one butt ugly rear wing on that car.....ok for track, but wouldn't want to drive around on street with it......a bit too much of a rice look for me.....

tipsyhemi

i think its a dangerous assumption to think that the viper is that much faster than a z07.

lot of hype right now, but the viper in gen5 doesn't exactly hit its targets reliably.

Corvette4ever

I know where this thread is going

tipsyhemi

lets wait to see real concrete numbers before we assume anything?

is that where this thread is going?

gonabite

The ACR just looks mean and menacing!!! Too much for some, I get it so to each their own.
But for a manufacturer to offer 4 levels of one car with the same drive train from mild to wild is awesome.

DRLC5

Nice to see the Viper keeps trying, this is good for us Z owners. Got to love the competition. GM will again raise the bar. I can not get over how ugly that rear spoiler looks.

05dsom

Pobst quote--


"Well I’ve just stepped from the latest counterattack of this rival Detroit gang: the 2016 Dodge Viper ACR, and I’m not mincing words, friends. This car will send the Z07 back to the garage for upgrades."

therealviper

Free money also went to Chrysler by the way... And the money was not free. Almost all the money paid back other than the first 5-10 billion given under Bush... which went to bond speculators, not GM in reality and which was not secured by any assets..... And still what was not paid back would have been far cheaper than food stamps, Medicaid, pension insurance, unemployment, and lost state and local property taxes along with loss income/O/R taxes for 1 million workers by about 150 billion, noting every parts supplier was already in bankruptcy and GM/Chrysler going under would have taken every Ford supplier under and thus Ford, who also got government loan guarantees...

The Z06 is great, with some problems for trackers... we are only 6 months in reality into a new platform.... with thousands sold and not hundreds...

Give it a rest. Nothing wrong with having 2 great sport cars made in America, lucky given 2008, its not NONE. Viper prices would be 15K higher w/o the C7.

Regards,

Viper

05dsom

some favorable reviews:


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/2...r-first-drive/http://<br /> <br /> http://www.auto...epower-monster

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._drive_review/


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...r-first-drive/

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...016-viper-acr/

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...er-acr-review/

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2016-dod...330658112.html

http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/d...cr/first-drive

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/117500-...r-thats-steal/

RBK

The Viper is very likely faster, which is also true of a few others. Is this the reason YOU bought the Z 06? The rear wing can only be described as a "necessary" aberration designed to "beat" whomever they see as competition, at the expense of anything resembling art/beauty, or even good taste. I just saw the Ferrari 488 and had a similar, but much more reserved impression. I own a 458, arguably, a beautiful and imo, the best all around 2 seat road car. But the new 488, with 100 more hp, now relying on twin turbo's, takes away the beautiful melody of the naturally aspirated engine. As for aesthetics, the designers added a whole bunch of vents, designed specifically for down force and air flow (important on a race track), arguably of little value to the ascot and leather glove set. Clearly the 488 is a "functional" improvement over the 458, but not over the form and "street" function of the 458. I don't know where car manufacturing and design will go, considering how fast and efficient the Tesla is (as an example), but racing requires that form follow function, while the majority of those I have followed on forums, really buy form and seldom fully utilize function. Best

jbondfl

What is the point of comparing the ACR to the Z06/7?????
Money for money, well, its a drivers choice.
At $123K for the ACR, you can't get a Z06/7 even up to that without adding EVERY option,,,90% of which have NOTHING to do with speed or track ability.
Off the track the ACR will be miserable to drive. Carpet at a minimum, No sound dampening, No amp on the 3-speaker stereo. Manually adjusted suspension means you have to get under the car whenever you go from street to track.......
I don't know,,,, I guess it's your choice... but I'd expect anyone on this forum to be more likely to buy a base model Z06/7, add the wing, remove the extra weight items, end up just as fast (or faster) and spend less than $123K.

JMHO

gonabite

The point of comparing is that the Z07 is GMs best car "track capable car" and the ACR is Dodges best track capable car. Its what you do.... compare.

And to have the ability to fully manually adjust your suspension is great. If you dont want the manually adjustable suspension in the ACR then one would buy the electronically adjustable suspension in the TA equipped Viper.

Its a great time in high performance cars with so may options to choose and so many fast and great handling American cars. Street legal race cars. No one saw that coming in 1973. Or 2003 for that matter.

Hirohawa

"The most track capable VIPER ever"...said no one ever at FCA. No hype just delivery of a real Track monster - Unlike GM with their BS Hyperbole and PR shenanigans that delivered a tarted up porker that has major issues, both with safety and performance on a track.

Randy Probst who overheated 3 out of 3 Z06s during the first few moths of the launch has nothing but praise for the ACR - crowning it the superior vehicle.

Hows that Z06 Nurburgring lap time coming... any month now.

NytmereZ

I don't like huge wings either, it why I bought a TA , but at least people can remove that wing if they choose when not tracking the car, the is no solution for the ugly rear end of the C7, that is after you remove the cheap looking tacky plastic flap, spats etc....
I don't think dodge is looking at the Z06 as competition, it has bigger fish to fry.

Flyboy22

The problem with the ACR, even though it is an absolute beast on the track, is that Dodge basically did all the "cheat" things it could do to make it that way. In other words, it's not fast because of incredible engineering or high tech materials, it's fast through brute power and downforce. If Ferrari wanted to, they could put a giant wing and dive planes and a huge diffuser on a 458 and make it MUCH FASTER on a track. Who would buy that car though? At its essence, the ACR is still just a Gen V Viper ("just"... it's a great sports car) that has been specifically prepped for track use.

In the eternal world of compromises, if you are making "no compromises" for the track, why don't you just buy a Radical?

The Z07 is superb only in its "dual role" ability to go fast on a track and still be a functional road machine. It would be very difficult to think of a car that does BOTH of those things better. Simply put, the wild racer looks of the ACR (which I love, btw), are also what makes almost no one want to drive one to work every day.

C6Z06C6

So much butthurt

harlold

what failures to hit targets?

like overheating or throwing an engine during reviews?

05dsom

I agree that the 458 may be more pretty than the ACR, but it will be easily beat by the new ACR (as it is by the old Z07, new Z07, ZR1, old ACR, NIsmo GTR, old GTR, etc., etc,) on track.

this car is for the track. Is it street legal? yes. but few/none will see C&C.

If you have a C&C car, that is fine, but don't expect it to outrun this car in a 30 minute season at COTA @ 100*F.

NytmereZ

, the new Z hasn't even beat the viper TA, how the hell is it going to beat something that is projected to be 7 seconds faster around a course.