Camaro crashes at Nurburgring
05-13-2016, 11:07 AM
#1
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Camaro crashes at Nurburgring
Not Corvette specific, but we talk a lot about the Camaro and its transmission, so...
As far as I'm aware everyone is OK. "The driver and passenger were both ok, but it looks like the Camaro took a pretty solid hit to the right front. " In the video (around 1:35, you're welcome) you can see the back brakes lock up first (no abs?) and then the fronts (no abs?). He gets it off track pretty promptly!
Forgive me if this is a dupe, I looked through the last couple pages of headings and don't see it!
As far as I'm aware everyone is OK. "The driver and passenger were both ok, but it looks like the Camaro took a pretty solid hit to the right front. " In the video (around 1:35, you're welcome) you can see the back brakes lock up first (no abs?) and then the fronts (no abs?). He gets it off track pretty promptly!
Forgive me if this is a dupe, I looked through the last couple pages of headings and don't see it!
Last edited by davepl; 05-13-2016 at 11:13 AM.
05-13-2016, 11:13 AM
#2
Melting Slicks
looks like driver came in for a left-handed turn TOO hot,locked the brakes and couldn't recover; passenger side smacked into right side wall
05-13-2016, 11:30 AM
#4
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Or could that happen in a production car too? Seems like a "bad thing" to trail-brake to lockup...
05-13-2016, 11:34 AM
#5
Test mule. Test track. This happens all the time.
05-13-2016, 11:36 AM
#6
Melting Slicks
But why no abs, and why would the rear brakes lock first? Are all bets off because it's an engineering vehicle and so we don't know what they were testing and how the car was set up?
Or could that happen in a production car too? Seems like a "bad thing" to trail-brake to lockup...
Or could that happen in a production car too? Seems like a "bad thing" to trail-brake to lockup...
05-13-2016, 11:38 AM
#7
Yeah; no way to know what they were testing and what they were doing; certainly something funky going on there. If that was "software-induced lockup," I hope that subroutine doesn't make it into the production car......
05-13-2016, 12:07 PM
#9
Pretty sure it wasn't software induced. Meaning the programming was the cause. Doesn't seem to be any software working at all.
You can see the driver reacts correctly but the car doesn't respond. Initially he brakes to correct his line and avoid going to wide. When he does this the rear tire(s) lock causing the nose to rotate right toward the inside curb and guard rail. At that point he correctly counter steers to make what should be a very minor correction. But under increased braking the front tires(s) lock up while he is making this correction. He continues to counter steer until he is at full opposite lock but all tires are locked and he is in a full slide until he hits the rail.
Point is with ABS and certainly any combination of ABS and active handling this crash doesn't occur. Hard to steer if the tires are locked up and sliding.
Last edited by dar02081961; 05-13-2016 at 12:16 PM.
05-13-2016, 12:56 PM
#12
Race Director
Agreed;
Pretty sure it wasn't software induced. Meaning the programming was the cause. Doesn't seem to be any software working at all.
You can see the driver reacts correctly but the car doesn't respond. Initially he brakes to correct his line and avoid going to wide. When he does this the rear tire(s) lock causing the nose to rotate right toward the inside curb and guard rail. At that point he correctly counter steers to make what should be a very minor correction. But under increased braking the front tires(s) lock up while he is making this correction. He continues to counter steer until he is at full opposite lock but all tires are locked and he is in a full slide until he hits the rail.
Point is with ABS and certainly any combination of ABS and active handling this crash doesn't occur. Hard to steer if the tires are locked up and sliding.
Pretty sure it wasn't software induced. Meaning the programming was the cause. Doesn't seem to be any software working at all.
You can see the driver reacts correctly but the car doesn't respond. Initially he brakes to correct his line and avoid going to wide. When he does this the rear tire(s) lock causing the nose to rotate right toward the inside curb and guard rail. At that point he correctly counter steers to make what should be a very minor correction. But under increased braking the front tires(s) lock up while he is making this correction. He continues to counter steer until he is at full opposite lock but all tires are locked and he is in a full slide until he hits the rail.
Point is with ABS and certainly any combination of ABS and active handling this crash doesn't occur. Hard to steer if the tires are locked up and sliding.
makes me wonder if, #1 abs was disabled or mail functioned, #2 a missed downshift or something in the trans caused the rear tires to lock the way they did.
05-13-2016, 01:55 PM
#15
Race Director
05-15-2016, 05:27 PM
#17
Race Director
It sure sounds NA